Blog Says Some Want Trees, Others Want Sports Fields at Brook Run

Dunwoody homeowners, the blogger said, have become frustrated over having to leave the area for everything from soccer to gymnastics.


A post this week on Dunwoody Talk Blog says trees and not flooding is the real reason Friends of Brook Run protest the planned concrete path. 

The trees provide privacy and a great view, the blog said.

The blogger is partial to sports fields on the back part of Brook Run and picnic areas in the front. 

Dunwoody homeowners, the blogger said, have become frustrated over having to leave the area for everything from soccer to gymnastics.

Where do you stand on the Brook Run Park controversy?

Joe Seconder February 07, 2013 at 04:20 PM
How many people read the approved plans before diving into an issue? The 2011 Brook Run Park Master plan DOES include 12-ft wide Multi-Use trails in wooded areas, as well as along the perimeter. Our first city council voted unanimously for this plan. All seven of them. Yesterday's plan is tempered with today's realities. Our master plans are "guidelines", and that deviations will naturally occur given changes over time. Did you know that the 2011 approved plan even includes a 9-hole Disc Golf course in the presently wooded northwest section of the park? Take a few minutes and read the original 2011 plan and today's: Brook Run Master Plan (map) as approved by the council in early 2011: http://www.dunwoodyga.gov/Files/Parks%20Master%20Plan%206-13-2011/10116_BrookRun_6.13.11.pdf The current Brook Run Trail FAQ. See the download links at the bottom, too: http://www.dunwoodyga.gov/home/Project-Details/12-08-10/Brook_Run_Multi-Use_Trail.aspx
Jay Pryor February 07, 2013 at 07:30 PM
In response to Mr. Seconder, I would refer readers to the Q&A regarding Brook Run which is on the City of Dunwood website and which is a memorandum from City Manager Warren Hutmacher to the mayor and members of the city council: "1. The original Department of Natural Resources (DNR) grant application for a Brook Run recreational trail has a different trail route, width and material choices then the final product being designed and constructed? How and why were changes made from the plan in the grant application through final design? ANSWER: The trail planning and implementation for Brook Run has evolved over time. The grant application was submitted in 2010, well before the Parks Master Plan, Transportation Master Plan or Project Renaissance was conceived. Parks staff has shared with Council and made publicly available the different iterations of the trail route. Each change was made to either save money, save trees or steer away from floodplain areas." So going from $132,000 for an 8-foot walking trail, to $420,000 for a 12-foot concrete trail is saving us money? So going from an 8-foot walking trail to a 12-foot concrete trail which will result in as much as a 50+ foot swarth of trees cleared is saving trees? And ask the homeowners of the adjacent Lake View Oaks subdivision about steering away from floodplain areas.
Joe Seconder February 07, 2013 at 08:04 PM
The trail is being built to accommodate those unfortunate who are disabled. The trail will increase our property values and enhance our quality of life, keeping our taxes low. The city has an above & beyond "No Net Loss of Trees" policy and will plant & replace trees that are cut down during trail construction. Tree loss will be kept to a minimum, especially with mature specimen trees. The city has adopted & approved master plans that our council has voted for unanimously, including Greenways and being able to connect our parks and destinations with linear parks and Multi-Use Trails. These are documented in our Parks & Recreation Plan, Transportation Plan, Dunwoody Village Plan and Georgetown Plan. The city has hired qualified engineers and trail specialists and have designed the trail to mitigate storm water runoff, and will ensure there is minimal -- if any -- negative water run off impact on the adjoining neighborhood. The trail will be used by MANY types of users: Families, joggers, strollers, roller bladers, casual cyclists, walkers, etc. This community should continue to enhance recreational opportunities for walking, skating, cycling, kite flying, you name it. Build it for today and future generations.
jimmie February 07, 2013 at 08:43 PM
While I see benefit in PArk, I don't see where 12 foot wide concrete paths were approved. Per city council discussions, they were originally for 8 foot wide trails built out of "not concrete". City Manager, when confronted with this significant morphing to trails that are 50% wider than that which was approved and made of concrete versus something a little greener and easier on the feet (no doubt to appeal the BIKER IN CHIEF) (Hmm..wonder who that is), his response was "we don't consider those significant changes necessitating further public meetings". I wonder if the IRS would think a 50% change in your taxable income would be worthy of an auditors "second look" at your return. This opinion comes with no one with skin or bike pedals in the game!
jimmie February 07, 2013 at 08:56 PM
Interesting, the pics in the second link look like trails that are......8 feet wide...not 12. And I don't see any markings on the original map in the first link that indicate to scale the paths are 12 feet wide. My point is simple: Mr. Seconder is a LARGE ADVOCATE of bike paths (just google his name) and LARGE ADVOCATES will TWIST ANYTHING to present their case. NOthing against the park, but just beleive the morphing of the plan was VERY material in scope and should have been the subject of additional public meetings, even a referendum. Something tells me, if you dig deep, you will find a LOT of connections between our council boys and mr. biker boy! Just sayin you might want to look into it.
Joe Seconder February 07, 2013 at 09:05 PM
Here's some good information about multi-use trails: Overall & local examples within the Metro Atlanta region: http://www.bicyclingjoe.com/2012/12/multi-use-trail-research-2011-with-2012.html And here's some examples of trails built in Metro Atlanta on or near water: http://www.bicyclingjoe.com/2013/01/more-in-depth-south-peachtree-creek.html If you're interested in bicycle & pedestrian advocacy in Dunwoody and volunteering, please check this out: http://www.bicyclingjoe.com/2012/01/dunwoody-non-motorized-transportation.html
Chico Dusty February 07, 2013 at 09:51 PM
In its current form, Brook Run is the single largest waste of prime real estate in the Atlanta area. That one pic of the pavilion, behind it, is a current "playground" that is straight up Third World. Half buried cement pipes a playground does not make. Dilapidated mental health buildings can't come down soon enough. I believe that shared municipal "commons" like parks, museums, bike paths, etc contribute to the overall health of a community. The enhance a communities quality of life which in turn improves everything from tax revenue to property values. If you look at world class cities, what is the one prevailing feature - strong infrastructure and investment in commons. The master plan for this park I feel with utilize the acreage to its fullest potential. We need more passive parks that provide green space, trails, etc and the plan looks good. Now as far as the controversy, are people mostly up in arms over the fact that we're spending money on paving? 8 feet wide is fine, but 12 is out of the question? Are people not in agreement with the overall plan because if we could find a way to stop littering our town with all these SaveDunwoody campaign signs I'm for it. When do we break ground on the park?! BUILD IT!!
jimmie February 08, 2013 at 12:40 AM
more spam from the activist..which member of the council sucks up to him..or vice versa..i got some guesses
What goes around comes around February 08, 2013 at 01:06 AM
What was that you said about twisting anything to present your case ?????????
HILBERT MARGOL February 08, 2013 at 03:02 PM
For some people, it's what they learn, after they know it all, that counts. In a recent court hearing, the city of Dunwoody's own expert witness, from Lose Associates, stated that after conducting a number of public meetings, followed by telephone surveys, the No. 1 request was for walking trails. What happened behind closed doors to change to a trail to accommodate walkers, bicyclists, wheelchairs, skate boarders, mothers pushing strollers, joggers, etc.? The fact that the plans violate the city of Dunwoody's own ordinances cause any pro plan enthusiasts to question same? Hilbert
HILBERT MARGOL February 08, 2013 at 03:07 PM
The city of Dunwoody's current administration's No.1 priority appears to be how much taxpayer money can we spend as fast as we can. Hilbert
jimmie February 08, 2013 at 05:19 PM
The reason? See the fanatic activist's spam and lies above. In short, I believe Mr. Seconder has some behind the scenes connection with our counsel. It needs to be rooted out or our mayor will be putting bike lanes down the middle of publix!
Chico Dusty February 08, 2013 at 07:06 PM
Jimmie and Hilbert, seriously, why the vitriol? I've met Mr. Seconder and he wants nothing more than enhancing the community for ALL citizens. Fanatic activist? Do you include the Tea Party and their slew of signs, their disrespect at council meetings, the ad naseum letters sent to the Crier saying the same thing over and over. So, our community shouldn't spend ANY money on enhancing the community? None? Or just what you all deem necessary? The changes to Brook Run, Parkway, and Intersection are enhancements to the community and infrastructure to make it more livable and improve the quality of life within Dunwoody. That's the motivation. It's not like the council is spending money putting up guilded statues to themselves or building extraneous improvements. I feel if anything they have been judicious in their spending and the fact we have a surplus speaks to that. Become part of the solution!
Rob February 08, 2013 at 08:30 PM
Mr. Seconder, Disregard the comments here. They are all from the same troll that has been squating here for months, but the Patch has not figured out how to sequester him to date. He is just an out of work bum with nothing to do....sorry, an out of work "valedictorian" bum! He also like to posts fictitious "Hawk Rescue" stories on a councilmans blog..
Mark Harnbuckle February 08, 2013 at 08:41 PM
"Putting up guilded [sp] statues to themselves," Ha Ha Ha, I think that's pretty funny. If we could, 'wood should mint currency, with 'One Davis' as a standard unit measure. Davii would be good at all taverns. You really are onto something here - - I think a lot of folks in the 'wood would agree upon. Keep up the good work, Dusty, the 'wood wouldn't be the same without a good cheerleader on such a dusky day.... Good Grief!
Mark Harnbuckle February 08, 2013 at 08:50 PM
"Valedictorian, Hawk Rescue?" What sort of secret, internecine 'wood-speak is this? You sound vewwy, vewwy angwee, Wob, why?
Mark Harnbuckle February 08, 2013 at 09:23 PM
Development is often blamed as the first step in destroying the intrinsic, natural beauty of raw land. Large natural sites like Brook Run are rare in developed areas like NE Atlanta. Brook Run is roughly equal in size to Piedmont Park, whose timeless beauty was envisioned by Frederick Law Olmstead [http://www.fredericklawolmsted.com/] Piedmont Park offers a blend of active and passive uses, an example of 'aesthetic compromise.' Morgan Falls Park in Sandy Springs is defined by it's engineering firm creators as a Passive Use facility, yet to my eye it is a small scale activity center with all sorts of metallic, brightly painted 'park-ware.' My opinion is that stone benches, granite sitting walls, boulders, and other natural artifacts make park development far more soothing. Here is a park plan that illustrates no commitment offering a good mixture of aesthetics and protection of the natural land beauty: http://dunwoodytalk.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-new-brook-run-park.html Brook Run is a singular, precious resource that must be protected and afforded the highest level of stewardship. One last point. Some pointed out that the PATH Foundation was a negative and in league with DeKalb County. As well, DeKalb County parked their large Public Works vehicles at Brook Run. Notably, the first thing to be built into Brook Run is a PATH Foundation-like path and City trucks have replaced the County trucks, in the same area.
jimmie February 08, 2013 at 10:05 PM
No, pay close attention. Look at the sole activity Mr. S. will die to accomplish everywhere he goes. The trail is not a trail any longer..its a bike path and mark, my words, will be at least 1/2 off limits to walkers, wheelchairers, baby strollers etc so the 14 bikers in his biker gangs can have free reign on your dollars. Watch it happen unless you, john q citizen, stand up and fight. As for Rob...hes an idiot whose soul defense to anything he disagrees with is to challenge identities. Our fearless blog host has apparently become a puss when it comes to enforcing that tripe so Rob continues to pollute. Jason, be a MAN and stand up for the rules you put out months ago! Cheers!
jimmie February 08, 2013 at 10:10 PM
The solution is to spend money that benefits the walkers that outnumber the bikers 500 to 1 in this community. Its not vitriol. Its telling people to open their eyes at what the activists do behind the scenes with ALL our money. Chico, go back and read about the history of the great things that happen when you challenge things you don't agree with. Uf you take the time to read my posts, you'll see that I have no problem with a park, just a park planning committee that materially changed the plan they presented after citizens approved it and they changed to, in my opinion, cowtow to a cycling activist. The solution is to use our funds in the most wise manner!
DunwoodyWorkingMan February 08, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Jimmie, you calling Jason a puss? thats not nice
Chico Dusty February 08, 2013 at 11:40 PM
Jimmie, the cyclist you see on our roads are not going to utilize that path in the way they do in a group on a Sat Sun group ride. Everyone is cognizant that its for multi-use including using it to teach your kids how to ride their bikes. Would you let your kids learn how to ride their bikes living along Womack, Vermack, Mt Vernon Way which through traffic screaming by on their way back to Gwinnett. Jimmie, I do have a strong effinity for History. Was born in Northside in 1972 and grew up in Roswell and East Cobb May-retta. I've seen this region go from bucolic horse farms, red clay kudzu fields, to urban sprawl on a level that makes international attention. Our traffic is now actually pushing companies away. And all that is due to a complete lack of urban planning. That has changed with this Mayor and Council. They support initiatives that may seem foreign at first but benefit many. The only reason that it maybe 500:1 car to pedestrian, but that's because its incredibly dangerous to be not only a cyclist, but a pedestrian. We just put in sidewalks on Mt Vernon to cover the livestock trails that peds made over decades. You did notice that? Of course many of the Tea Party were against sidewalks as well. But do you notice how much they are used now? Constantly! Have you ever been to the Silver Comet on a Sat or the new Big Creek Greenway. If not I invite you. You got to expand yourself Jimmie.
jimmie February 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM
If that is all true Chico, then a rehearing process on the significantly different size, use and composition of trial would yield substantial support! Yet, our socialist utopian leading Mayor and good ole boy counsel surprisingly do not want that to happen. That stinks worse than anything! You need to expand your rosecolored vison Chico to understand what behind the scenes bullying and dictatorship looks like. Still waiting for Joe to explain his out and out lie that a 12 foot path has always been the plan! Ends dont justify the means Chico. Let the PEOPLE make the decision if they want a jumbojet landing strip or a true "TRAIL"!
Rob February 11, 2013 at 01:21 PM
And the troll begins another week of being a "multiple identity, gender challenged disorder" poster :(
Chico Dusty February 11, 2013 at 04:33 PM
Socialist Utopian Mayor?! You're beautiful Jimmie.
jimmie February 11, 2013 at 04:33 PM
and Rob continues another week of being a ---k
jimmie February 11, 2013 at 04:35 PM
Thanks mate...the government knows the only way to utopia..they know best that a 12 foot strip you could land a 747 on is far better than normal, lest costly, less hard on your feet paths...with your money...think instead of being an enslaved mass to the good ole boys..


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