Legalizing Marijuana: Should Georgia Follow Other States?
The Georgia C.A.R.E. Project will hold a press conference Monday at the Georgia state capitol to announce its agenda regarding Cannabis saying that now is right time to focus on the state’s antiquated marijuana laws.
Dunwoody Patch wants to hear what you think about the idea of legalizing marijuana in Georgia. It's a timely topic, as a new push to reform Georgia’s drug penalties will kick off Monday as lawmakers consider criminal justice reform measures.
The Georgia Campaign for Access, Reform & Education or Ga. C.A.R.E. Project, will host a press conference at the Georgia state capitol Monday at 11 a.m. to announce the campaign’s mission. A project of the Georgia Taxpayers Alliance, founders James Bell and Ron Williams have supported and advocated for law reform for 25 years.
Bell said this is the first time in the 25 years Georgia has considered law reform legislation and the time is right to focus on the state’s antiquated marijuana laws.
“We applaud Gov. Nathan Deal and the legislature for their courageous efforts to reform ineffective and costly laws we can no longer afford to sustain”, Bell said. In a news release. “Decades of 'get tough on drugs' legislation has cost taxpayer billions and has done little to solve real crime problems.”
The Georgia C.A.R.E. Project’s agenda will focus on a four point plan to:
- Establish a special study committee to focus specifically on marijuana laws;
- Reschedule the classification of marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II or lower
- Modernize Georgia’s medical marijuana access laws to allow for legal medical marijuana by doctor prescription or recommendation;
- Decriminalize a personal use amount to eliminate prosecution and incarceration
Ron Williams, a reform activist, said 18 states have allowed medical marijuana and two state have now legalized personal use amounts.
“Those states have led the way to show that we can decriminalize and medicalize marijuana and bring this substance under regulation and control without affecting public safety and save taxpayers dollars. It’s time to focus on this issue.”
The campaign has set up an educational website and Facebook page to connect with the public, media and lawmakers.
Earlier this month, a crowd of hundreds gathered to light up joints under the Space Needle in Seattle as recreational marijuana use officially became legal in the state of Washington.
A similar scene is likely to unfold on the streets of Denver in a couple of weeks as Colorado’s marijuana legalization law goes into effect.
In Washington, it is now legal for people to possess up to one ounce of the drug, which is illegal in most states, including Georgia. While the new state law in Washington doesn’t usurp federal laws that criminalize marijuana use, local cops are no longer going to give people age 21 and up a hard time for lighting up a joint in the privacy of their own homes. The public display at the Space Needle technically remains illegal, but police in that state decided to let it fly on the morning pot smoking became legal there.
Cops in Washington seem to be taking a rather nonchalant approach to the new state rules, too. The Seattle Police Department has issued some interesting directives to its officers.
Police spokesman Jonah Spangenthal-Lee is quoted on the Huffington Post as saying, "The police department believes that, under state law, you may responsibly get baked, order some pizzas and enjoy a `Lord of the Rings' marathon in the privacy of your own home, if you want to."
He also quoted the cult classic film "The Big Lebowski": “The Dude abides, and says `take it inside!' "
Colorado’s law goes into effect on Jan. 5. Washington state, the Post says, anticipates the new law will bring millions of dollars into the state’s coffers as regulations begin to go into place.
While lighting up a joint at home – or in public – remains illegal in Georgia, we’d like to hear your thoughts on the issue in Dunwoody.
Do you think our state should look at decriminalization? Does marijuna legalization in other states make it difficult for you to talk to your kids about the subject?
Should the federal government review its own laws? Share your thoughts in the comments section.
About this column: The Dunwoody Patch Question of the Day is an occasional column that features local, state or national news that we want to get Midtown Patch reader's take on.
Steve Johnson
3:58 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
While I recognize GA will be among the last states to legalize marijuana, I think people in the state should know that it is inevitable. With the number of states due to follow CO and WA to legalization, the federal prohibition of marijuana will end exactly the way the prohibition of alcohol ended; the feds will leave it up to the states who will eventually follow suit and regulate marijuana.
There are so many reasons to legalize it, the first of which is that it would virtually eliminate the gangs and cartels that sell it through the black market. Nobody will need these criminals to purchase it and the cartels will lose at least half of their money. Second, regulated sales would keep it out of the hands of children more easily; drug dealers do not I.D., but liquor stores do because they are state regulated.
Third, the hemp industry could use a pick me up. Hemp may just be the miracle we need to end a lot of problems with pollution and deforestation. Hemp is a better source of paper than trees, a better source of clothing than cotton and, if allowed to be researched, could be alternate fuel source we've been looking for.
Last but CERTAINLY not least, there is a huge amount of evidence beginning to surface that marijuana might not just treat cancer, but cure it entirely. If you're interested in learning more about this, google "Rick Simpson Oil." If you or someone you know has cancer, please look into this.
GA is a red state but this is a bipartisan issue!
SL
9:47 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
In 1981, the Georgia Legislature passed the "Medical Marijuana Necessities Act," which mandated the creation of a state-run program through which qualified cancer and glaucoma patients would receive prescriptions of cannabis sativa.
So, what happened? Long story short, Reagan happened. The "war on drugs" was on.
Back in Georgia, a newly formed Board, a state-appointed panel of physicians was defunded and disbanded after approving only a small handful of test subjects whose names are lost to history. Legislators went back and changed the name of the 1981 law to the "Controlled Substances Therapeutic Research Act" to downplay the connection to reefer and make it sound less fun.
The law, remains on the state's books, meaning that qualified patients could enroll in clinical medical marijuana trials. Except -without an active Review Board, no one could be qualified as a patient. And without patients, there was no need for any treatment.
In the 30 years since the passage of the Georgia law, 16 other states and the D.C. have allowed private marijuana dispensaries to pop up — Colorado, no one's idea of a blue state. And public sentiment regarding the use of marijuana has similarly shifted.
On March 24, the state medical board issued a call for applicants —5 doctors in various fields and 1 pharmacist — to be named to a reformed PQRB. Once in place, perhaps within six months, opening the door officially to widespread use of medical marijuana may be possible
jimmie
4:30 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
I think both posters here have had their product lobotimize them already.
Steve Johnson
5:22 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Do you have any other arguments or just disrespect? Wow, if the likes of you is all there is left to contend with, marijuana will be legal in no time.
SL
10:01 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Ask any police officer if he would rather deal with a situation where alcohol is present or where people have been smoking pot. As far as your lobotomized comment, there happen to be many Captains of Industry, lawyers and other professionals who choose pot over alcohol - recreationally - including SEVERAL Presidents of the United States. One of whom presided over the largest period of economic growth in this country. I will concede, however, that like any substance like alcohol or prescription pills, marijuana can be abused. The effects of abuse, however, are not even comparable to what happens when people abuse prescription pills or alcohol. Most prescription abuse is opiate based, like heroin, etc. Cigarettes do more damage! The cig makers have even made them more addictive through the addition of chemicals.
Do your research, Mr Jimmie - hopefully you will open your eyes.
Rob
4:39 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
@Jason (Patch) - You truly have a top notch site here Jason. All you have to do is post about someone being shot, and their relatives pour out of the wood work to comment here. Now with this story, you have reached out all the way to Spokane Washington. My, my, you really have the ability to bring important people from eveyhwere to your Patch site.
From far, far away..or maybe not?
I`m impressed......
Jason Massad
4:48 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Thanks @Rob. Can't speak to how important the posters are on here, but I can say it's an important issue. People did real prison time for marijuana possession 30 short years ago? Now we're seeing a legalization movement that has touched a conservative state.
PhilDeBowl
4:40 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Our Nation was established as a caretaker and guardian of "certain unalienable"rights granted by god for all mankind.Among those rights were Life,Liberty,and the pursuit of Happiness. Today we have a government that sucks our treasure, sends our youth to do war in foreign lands for god knows what reason,and threatens U.S. with prison time if we use a plant.
jimmie
7:32 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
you didnt study the benefits of wwi and wwii did you? were you alive on 9/11 or were you too stoned to see what happened...and coca is a plant..think that should be legal too..so your 12 year old kid can go to walmart and do a line before class where he studies the advantages of how great "change" is to society???
420 College
5:58 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
George and every other state in the south. you know honki toncks are blazing too. http://420college.org
jimmie
7:11 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
@steve...i'll pray for you brother...after long term drug addiction you wont be able to pray for yourself
Steve Johnson
7:18 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Jimmie, your ignorance is incredible. Please do not waste your time praying for me, I'm going to be just fine. I can only hope one day you will realize how wrong you are.
Steve Johnson
7:21 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
AND, once again you fail to make any counter argument to my original points.
jimmie
7:24 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
and in hell he lifted up his eyes....
Steve Johnson
7:29 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
So now I will go to Hell for consuming this plant, that YOUR God supposedly created? Ace logic there, Jimbo. "God said, 'Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed." -Genesis 1:29
jimmie
7:47 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
God gave man dominion to use items as food..cannibis is smoked, not eaten. Perhaps poison ivy should also be smoked their chief..tell me how that one works out for you..and by the way, tell me what happened to Eve when she disobeyed..and tell me how God mandated the family unit construction...and show me the curing of cancer studies..amazing how no health agency has come across those...you're worshipping a false god stevie...the god of marij will leave you dead, buried and unaware...and after this, you can debate your logic with the almighty
Steve Johnson
8:01 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Health agencies can't come publish the info because the government mandates who can do research on the drug. Here's one link to get you started that show cannabis, when EATEN, will cure cancer:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/01/cannabis-for-infants-brai_n_2224898.html
You tell me, should that 8 month old infant have died a painful death instead of being administered cannabis? He will now grow up and have a happy life instead of being put in the ground before speaking a single word.
And if you want more info, google the words marijuana and cancer. And then you will see that YOUR God put cannabis on Earth to be consumed, to cure disease and cancer. His love is bestowed upon us through it.
ace777
4:09 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie you're wrong it has been proved that marijuana cure's cancer!!!!!!you need to do you're research before you speak on this subject and poison ivey is a plant not a herb. and to Steve you missed the last part in genesis so i reput the whole thing so what im about to say will make since God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; "to you it shall be for meat". and he go's on to say it was very good!!!! and in the book of Malachi God said that man has robbed god of his meat and if he'll give it back god will pour out blessing's from the window's of heaven could curing cancer be part of those blessing i imagine so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SL
10:25 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Cannabis can be eaten - ever heard of pot brownies? Eating it is actually better for you than smoking. Also, you can get medicinal pot that has higher CBD content than THC. This means that cancer patients can take it without getting the high feeling. It stimulates their appetites and helps with pain. Research, Jimmy, research. And your comment about someone not answering your points - you didn't make any points before you wrote that. Your only comment was that someone was lobotomized. That's not a point, that's an opinion. Who's high here? I suggest you smoke a doobie and maybe you will be able to keep better track of what you have written and where.
daniel lehman
10:51 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
jimmie you are profoundly incorrect. religion has nothing to do with this argument. there is a seperation of church and state for a reason, for example so we dont do silly things like kill people for supposedly being witches
jimmie
9:55 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
yep..steve..no other cure for little baby other than good ole marijuana..have you researched he doctor involved..have to say hes a dealer on the side..all your article indicates is that every oncologist on earth has the ability to cure cancer but ignores it..dream on...all I get from those blinded by satan is that god bestows love by pot...that, above all else, proves you have nothing left upstairs that hasn''t been polluted. We'll disagree..but don't say I didn't warn you. May God be with you.
Tony
2:21 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie, you're 100% wrong. Not only does cannabis have antimetastatic (tumors can't spread), antiangiogenic (tumors can't form new blood vessels), and apoptotic (cancerous cells directed to self-destruct), but according to patent #6630507, cannabinoids (the chemical constituents of cannabis) are neuroprotectants, effective in the treatment and prevention of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. That patent is held by the Federal Department of Health and Human Services, btw. They filed for it in 2003.
jimmie
10:14 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
For those whose mind isn't stoked because they won't any excuse for the government to pay for them to stay stoned, read this from the National Cancer Institute, copyright 2012..I encourage all to google it and find out how absolutely overclaiming the stoners from San Francisco are...those who lead others astray Stephen..shall pay dearly
However, there is no evidence that Cannabis' effects on the immune system help the body fight cancer (see Question 6).
At this time, there is not enough evidence to recommend that patients inhale or ingest Cannabis as a treatment for cancer-related symptoms or side effects of cancer therapy (see Question 7).
Cannabis is not approved by the FDA for use as a cancer treatment (see Question 9).
Steve Johnson
10:23 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
You make me laugh. I am not a "stoner from San Francisco" Jimmie. In fact I don't know where you live, but the fact that you are reading a Dunwoody website means we live closer to each other than you might think.
Currently 18 states in our country disagree with the National Cancer Institute. The FDA and big pharma control these national research institutions that suppress the medical benefits of marijuana because its widespread use as medicine would lose their cash cow of their own drugs, most of which have awful side effects and are physically addicting. I have seen first hand people who have lost everything to addictions to painkillers. Many of them started by taking the drugs exactly as prescribed.
I will now post several posts containing evidence of marijuana's medical benefits.
Steve Johnson
10:26 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Alzheimer's:
Europe: Study: Marijuana Slows Alzheimer's Decline: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n307/a10.html
Marijuana may block Alzheimer's (BBC): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
Marijuana's Active Ingredient Shown to Inhibit Primary Marker of Alzheimer's Disease: http://www.pacifier.com/%7Ealive/articles/ca060809.htm
Prevention of Alzheimer's Disease Pathology by Cannabinoids (Journal of Neuroscience): http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/8/1904
Steve Johnson
10:29 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Breast Cancer: The endogenous cannabinoid anandamide inhibits human breast cancer cell proliferation: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/95/14/8375
Brain Cancer: Cannabis extract makes brain tumors shrink: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/12088.php
Cancer- Leukemia: Targeting CB2 cannabinoid receptors to treat malignant lymphoblastic disease: http://bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/cgi/reprint/100/2/627.pdf
Steve Johnson
10:32 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Lung Cancer: Marijuana Ingredients Slow Invasion by Cervical and Lung Cancer Cells: http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20071226/pot-slows-cancer-in-test-tube
Pancreatic Cancer: Cannabinoids Induce Apoptosis of Pancreatic Tumor Cells via Endoplasmic Reticulum Stress–Related Genes: http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/13/6748
Prostate Cancer: Suppression of Nerve Growth Factor Trk Receptors and Prolactin Receptors by Endocannabinoids Leads to Inhibition of Human Breast and Prostate Cancer Cell Proliferation: http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/141/1/118
Steve Johnson
10:36 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Chron's Disease: In the Human Colon: Cannabinoids Promote Epithelial Wound Healing: http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/PIIS0016508505009297/abstract
Epilepsy: Antiepilectic effects of cannabidiol: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7028792
Fabian Da Ace Sheppard
4:18 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
all gov lie's are being brought to the light on marijuana
jim you can move on with the future and learn the real truth as it completely unfolds are you can continue to go on with what they have left you brain washed with!!!!
Lang
12:53 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
wow jimmy....i think you may be well meaning, but you are all over the map and misinformed on several levels.....no one is seriously asking for laws that make the government PAY for marijuana....actually, the laws being requested will SAVE the government a lot of money, and in the case of actual legalization, the law has users PAY the government taxes on the product
jimmie
10:17 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
whats next stephen, the study from san francisco group that says it is healthy for 6 year olds to watch their two daddies have an-l sex as it encourages creativity and exploration? you really think the people in this state are that far gone?
Steve Johnson
10:42 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Wow, you're prejudice too? Who would have thought?
jimmie
10:57 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
just know societal dangers and there greasy maneuvers to try to gain acceptance for societal deviance..and i got 2012 studies on that too...your 1981 study is sweet..do people really believe this garbage you peddle?
rb
1:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If you have not tried it dont knock it.
whistleblower45
10:03 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie I still count TWO losses in a row
SL
10:43 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Do 6 year olds of heterosexual parents watch when they have sex? Grow up Jimmie. Actually - I'd pay for you to relocate somewhere. How does Saudi Arabia sound? They are more in line with your beliefs. - even when it comes to pushing God down people's throats. I have 2 business class tickets for you.
jimmie
10:29 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
A fool and his mind are soon parted steve..and I have a dozen clients in MT, a medical marijuana state who say its the worst idea since...well, san francisco..or the UK..or any other godless society that seeks to rape the body and soul of all those willing to listen
Tony
2:27 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Earlier this year, the conservative polling group Rasmussen reported that 56% of the country favors full legalization, taxation, and regulation of cannabis like alcohol with only 39% opposed. Rasmussen also reports 77% of the country favors medical cannabis. Two more polls from PPP and Quinipac also reported, respectively, that 58% and 52% of responding citizens want full legalization.
You're in the minority.
jimmie
10:34 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
We would warn the public against taking marijuana as a way of preventing Alzheimer's
Dr Susanne Sorensen
That would be a quote steve from your bbc source; third source is a 404 error, 4th source is 8 years old and yet no one seems to pay attention to it..once again, its just a big government conspiracy..let everyone die and suffer because we can't legalize pot for md use...and 1st source was once again a 2005 article tested in an israeli lab rat that also clearly indicates so link to humans...good sh-t man..any other fools you talk to buy this?
Steve Johnson
10:50 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Most of the country actually. You should take a look at some public opinion polls. Never mind the fact that more than half of our citizens want marijuana legalized entirely, there is overwhelming support for its medical use.
jimmie
10:41 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
this is too easy steve...you would think, if there were any hope of this stuff curing cancer an activist such as yourself woulf obtain articles that are more recent than 1998, 2000 and 2002 and they would test it in humans who survived!..not in rats, mice or birds..and do you honestly think our pot smoking president would stand in the way of research to make his college drug of choice legal!!! nice try buddy...but dude you need to get a real job..
Steve Johnson
10:49 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Unfortunately, do to narrow minded hicks such as yourself and our government, real human research of marijuana is restricted to the government themselves. Our pot smoking president is a hypocrite for maintaining a system where people are given criminal records for marijuana. Had he been arrested for marijuana, he would not be president today.
I am not pro Obama and I am sure you are not either, but this isn't a debate about Obama.
jimmie
10:59 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
well we agree on that...i'll report your personal abuse..but it doesnt matter..when liberals are crushed, its all they have to fall back on..in any event, good debate as it seems we are the only two who care about it tonight
SL
10:38 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
I have a real job. My tax bill is in the six-figure range, I pay over 1.5 million $USD in duties on commodities my company imports, and have satellite offices and employees in Europe, Asia, and South America. My products are in your car, on the planes you fly in, alkaline batteries and medical cannula for medicinal delivery systems, eye surgery and dental appliances. I've smoked for over 20 years - my CFO smokes, as do many of my international managers. We are all active, healthy and wealthy. I would LOVE to pay heavy taxes on pot so that we can use it for our schools which are way behind when compared to most.
jimmie
10:54 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
I encourage all to read this article..most recent research..marijuana greatly hightens risk of all cancers..it is not cost beneficial!!! Believe the research, not the activists
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthy_kids/Can-Marijuana-Prevent-Cancer.html
Steve Johnson
11:01 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
The way these studies are conducted are totally off base.
"French researchers concluded in a 2008 study that marijuana users were 2.4 times more likely to develop lung cancer than non-users."
According to the study found at the link, they used a sample of people who were avid tobacco users that either only used tobacco versus tobacco and cannabis. This invalidates the argument entirely as it is very misleading. A study like this will make sense when they have a set of cannabis only versus never smoked anything sample groups.
Steve Johnson
11:10 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
I will leave you with this Jimmie. Within 10-20 years, marijuana will be legal in Georgia and in all states. People with cancer will be turning more and more to cannabinoids to get well. I can only hope (I say hope, not pray, I am not religious personally although I have no qualms with those who are) that you give the natural, healing herb a chance if you ever are unfortunate enough to suffer from cancer, MS etc. But regardless, we are moving towards reform at an unstoppable pace and you can choose to go down kicking and screaming as the world changes around you, or you can come to understand that change and be at peace with it and with those around you.
jimmie
11:10 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
these used humans steve..not mice..and all the studies are far more current than the tripe you present...the reality is, and its sad, the dependent class just wants to be able to legally stay stoned..sometimes at the taxpayers expense...speaking of tax, i'm one of the evil rich so i need to get rest to fight another day..to put as many dollars as i can earn in my pocket, not in someone elses orifaces..night all..God bless the Conservative USA!
Steve Johnson
11:17 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
It costs $31,000 per year on average to keep someone incarcerated for marijuana. You would be paying a lot less in taxes if you didn't have to jail those people. Just saying. Your "taxpayers expense" argument is invalid.
Alan E. Mason
10:09 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I thought conservatives supported state's rights and minimal government interference in our lives. Perhaps you should read some of what conservative William Buckley has to say on the subject. As for the comments about God, we are a nation of laws created by man, not a Muslim country where religious laws control.
whistleblower45
9:56 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
The real America blessed the old white people with TWO losses in a row!
whistleblower45
9:59 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
The REAL USA blessed the old white people party with TWO losses in a row! Do we even need the RepubliCON party???
jimmie
11:23 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
you dont get american society stevie..if they aren't incarcerated, the government just gives it to them for medicinal purposes and i pay to keep you stoned...and thus have greater risk of driving, biking, teaching or breaking other laws that directly effect me..slam the behavior hard enough and it will stop..subsidize it and it will go on forever..got it steve? gosh you guys are brainwashed...
Steve Johnson
11:42 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Haha, what? Medical marijuana patients pay for their own medicine and if you think the government (via your tax money) is going to pay for anyone to smoke weed you are the one who doesn't understand society.
Driving inebriated on anything is a bad idea, I agree. But legalizing it could better set up a system of regulation for driving inebriated. Likewise, employers would still be able to fire anyone who comes to work high, that will never change. If substance abuse, legal or illegal affects someone's job, actions will be taken.
You are naive if you think it will "stop." It won't stop legal or not. In Portugal, marijuana was effectively made legal and use has declined noticeably since then.
Steve Johnson
11:43 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Sorry, pressed submit too soon. As I was saying, use in Portugal declined significantly. That doesn't mean it has stopped, but it will never stop, so a decline should be good enough to those who care, because it is all they will get.
Tony
2:40 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
It's unfortunate that folks like Jimmie refuse to engage in an honest discussion.
I support full legalization, if that's the question on the table.
The scientific evidence (the sort you read on pubmed, not on a blog) overwhelmingly supports the medicinal values of the chemical constituents of cannabis. Fact is, there has never been one single reported overdose from cannabis. The LD50 (dosage at which ~50% of a sample population die) is so high for THC that you would need to consume 1500 lbs within 15 minutes to reach a toxic dose.
Stats that enact compassionate use legislation (just medical cannabis) see a 9% drop in DUI's and DUI-fatalities. They also observe a 9% drop in suicides for men between the ages of 30-39 and a stunning reduction 11% drop in rates for men ages 20-29. This is especially important when you consider the combat death to suicide rate for our troops is 25:1... in simple english, for every soldier who dies in the field, 25 more come home and take their own lives.
Veterans petition the VA every year for the right to use cannabis to treat their PTSD without losing their medical benefits. If you are a real American who supports the troops regardless of the politics, you ought to support legalization.
jimmie
6:32 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
still waiting to see the studies tony..the ones from nih claim the exact opposite...you look at the world from a stoned point of view...
rb
1:55 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
jimmie you sound like you are just high on life. Good for you.
whistleblower45
10:06 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmy I think we all know who forgot to take their meds
TK
6:38 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie. Pot has a lower addiction rate than alcohol. Also it can be eaten (via baking). Also, most importantly, no one is advocating legalizing it for children. Pot, like alcohol, needs age restrictions (especially since it harms brain development).
TK
6:48 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Oh almost forgot about the cancer claims.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4#Section_26
It isn't quite as much as advocates say it is (at least based on what has and hasn't been shown in the lab), but pot does have properties that do attack cancer tumors.
michael gonzalez
11:04 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Marijuana its grate it should be legal
Tony
4:25 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I'm all for it, but it's going to be an up-hill battle.
My hope is that Ga C.A.R.E. will be more effective than past efforts. Though I'm a little sketchy on what "past efforts" there actually have been in Georgia. To my knowledge, most of the NORML chapters in Georgia as well as the MPP & LEAP have been relatively inactive. Most don't update their websites more than once a month, if at all, let alone push legislation efforts. This isn't a criticism, just an observation.
It's just that I look for news and never find it. There are two, maybe three whispers of "oh yes, change is coming in GA" in regards to cannabis reform, but it never gets beyond the whisper-stage.
I think the secret to making true progress in Georgia is to stress that it isn't a liberal issue trying to "invade" the great red state of Georgia. Fact is, despite what your average libertarian will tell you, cannabis reform is a bipartisan issue. The scientific evidence about the safety and medical efficacy of cannabis is overwhelming.
States that only have medical cannabis see a 9% drop in DUI's and DUI fatalities. Crime and substance abuse rates *fall* in medical cannabis states.
jimmie
4:26 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
May God bless the degenerates...
whistleblower45
10:05 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Why would god respond to a TWO TIME LOSER???
Tony
4:26 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Most importantly, suicide rates drop. States with medical cannabis see a 9% drop in suicides for men 30-39 and an 11% drop for men 20-29. Last I checked, the combat death to suicide rate for our troops is 1:25. In simple English, for every ONE soldier who dies in combat overseas, twenty-five come home and take their own lives. This is especially important in Georgia; everyone here knows someone who was in Iraq and/or Afghanistan who is now suffering from PTSD. Soldiers petition the White House every year for the right to treat their PTSD with cannabis, which they can't, because they'd lose VA benefits.
The research suggests now that the chemical constituents of cannabis, cannabinoids, actually fight cancer in their own right as well as protect us against neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.
Honestly, prohibitionists have ZERO arguments that hold up, anymore. What we need are state-level politicians with the stones to push for legalization. Lord knows that our reps in Congress are too cowardly to do it. They're too scared they'll lose their bid for re-election in a primary battle if they appear "soft on drugs." It bugs me that our House Reps and Senators preach STATES RIGHTS until they get a letter asking them to consider cannabis reform: then they quote federal law like gospel.
Alan E. Mason
5:08 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I though Jimmie would appreciate this quote from an uninformed stoner:
"In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.
DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young, 1988
jimmie
5:29 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
keep smoking alan...someday you'll wake up and see what you missed
Alan E. Mason
5:39 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie, who said I smoked? And would you like to respond to the fact a DEA law judge said cannabis is extremely safe to use, or do you just want to keep the discussion at a third grade level? You think I am missing something, but you seem to be missing the point of what the judge said.
jimmie
5:39 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The Health Effects of Marijuana
Negative Health Effects Are Numerous
Although legalization activists and many marijuana users believe smoking pot has no negative effects, scientific research indicates that marijuana use can cause many different health problems.
When it is eaten in food, such as baked in brownies and cookies, the effects take longer to begin, but usually last longer.
The short-term effects of marijuana include:
Distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)
Problems with memory and learning
Loss of coordination
Trouble with thinking and problem-solving
Increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure
Sometimes marijuana use can also produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.
When high doses of marijuana are used, usually when eaten in food rather than smoked, users can experience the following symptoms:
Hallucinations
Delusions
Impaired memory
Disorientation
Effects on the Heart
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Tony
10:42 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Cut and paste by Jimmie from ALCOHOLISM .com
Cuz, ya know, if there's a group of people who know about cannabis and how it works in the human body, it's alcoholics.
jimmie
5:41 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
so what fool believes a 1998 article from an administrative law judge that says marijuana has no harmful effects..perhaps the same fool who lays on their couch all day stoned dragging down society
Alan E. Mason
5:52 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Amazing how you know so much about me, Jimmie. I've been wondering who that was hiding in the bushes outside my house at night with the binoculars.
TROLL (noun) "In Internet slang, a troll ( /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."
Steve Johnson
6:43 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I find it hilarious that Jimmie is even still commenting on here. Glad to see a bunch of new people in this discussion, and WHAT ARE THE ODDS? None of them are on your side Jimmie. Sounds to me like God's people have spoken. Are you by chance a member of the Westboro Baptist Church Jimmie?
jimmie
6:49 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Alan your support for your position is pathetic. Sorry you can't deal with the facts. You and Stevie go huddle now. Light one up fry your brain and go play in the street.
Steve Johnson
6:56 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Sounds like an awesome plan to me. It's interesting how I can smoke the devil's lettuce and still engage in a rational debate, but you ramble on with insults and prejudice and can't make a single good argument.
The claim that marijuana kills brain cells was taken from an old study where respirator masks were put on a group of monkeys. Then marijuana smoke was given to the monkeys for periods of up to five minutes at a time with NO oxygen in that period. Of course, since they were essentially choking these monkeys half to death, their brains deteriorated over time. These are the kinds of studies that national groups like the DEA, FDA and NIDA get their facts from.
jimmie
6:52 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Easy to defeat the potheads of Arianas army! Some of gods people just pray for you I try to get at least one brainwashed soul to see the truth
Tony
7:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes, if at first you don't succeed, redefine the criteria of success, right Jimmie?
Sadly, you have done your "argument" more harm than good, Jimmie. This isn't some conversation behind the chicken shed with Zeek and Cleetus, it's a permanently archived, publicly available internet conversation.
Anyone with two eyes and a high school education will read your nasty, unsubstantive comments sprinkled amongst good, solid, empirically verifiable information about the safety of cannabis.
Those people will forget you, Jimmie. However, they'll remember the information they read. They'll remember how they read cannabis is 100% safe, less addictive than caffeine, and combats some of the worst medical conditions of our time: glaucoma, muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, epilepsy, and CANCER.
Some of them will use the internet to learn more about this. When confronted with the hard science, like I was, they'll be faced with the choice of accepting it as true or sticking their head in the sand, like you, Jimmie.
See how useful the internet is? Most of us use it for more than just tr0//ing and pr0n, Jimmie. Give it a try. Learn something.
jimmie
7:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
A standard liberal....your science is wrong, it is supported by hacks only and you just want the rest of this nation to pay for you to suck on bongs and lay on mammas for the rest of your life...which won't be forgotten when you reach your destination buddy.
Tony
7:11 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Since Jimmie is either too lazy, too dishonest, or too dense to use Google like a normal person, I'll happily cut and paste the authors, years, and titles for the studies he'll never read anyway:
Medical cannabis reduces suicide rates:
Anderson, D. Mark & Rees, Daniel I. & Sabia, Joseph J., 2012.
"High on Life? Medical Marijuana Laws and Suicide,"
IZA Discussion Papers 6280, Institute for the Study of Labor (IZA).
Medical cannabis states have fewer DUIs:
Anderson, D. Mark, and Daniel Rees. "Medical marijuana laws, traffic fatalities, and alcohol consumption." (2011).
Cannabidiol fights cancer cells:
Vaccani, Angelo, et al. "Cannabidiol inhibits human glioma cell migration through a cannabinoid receptor‐independent mechanism." British journal of pharmacology 144.8 (2009): 1032-1036.
Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants:
United States Patent and Trademark Office, Patent #6630507
Plenty for Jimmie to not read, not understand, and repress.
jimmie
7:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I prefer NIH, DMA, OMM, FDA and all those who are reputable..not pot smoking euro trash single studies subsidized by liberals and not accepted as marketable science. Hope your right on the studies, though...hate to see your kids get run over by Cheech or Chong
Tony
7:46 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You are aware that Anderson is at the University of Colorado and Rees in from MONTANA, right?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH MY. Jimmie, you just walked headlong into hypocrisy.
You responded so fast that there's NO WAY you could have read them. Or understood them!
You've invalidated yourself as an INTELLECTUALLY HONEST participant in this discussion!!!
In simple English, YOU LOST, Jimmie!!!
jimmie
7:53 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
A study subsidized by Germans moron..which concluded that DUI's had gone down by 9%...and did not take into account other measures the STate of MOntana had put in place to reduce DUI's. I read the study last year dude...and have a dozen clients in Montana..all who say that the entirety of the law does nothing more than subsidize the stoners..maybe you should just stop reading Arianas talking points and do a little independent research
jimmie
7:53 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Or can you pry yourself away from your reefer long enough to concentrate
jimmie
7:57 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
And what was the profession of Mr. Rees..he is an economist Tony..someone really qualified to indicate the behavioral aspects of the drug...you are really pathetic..and Steve can't even hold your jock at this point.
jimmie
7:43 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey Tony and Steve and your pot smoking useless brothers...if you believe so much in your science...and you want to legalize pot, why don't you each put your firstborn (if you can have a firstborn) in front of a car driven by a pot smoking 18 year old and i'll put mine in front of a person who has a brain...and we'll see which driver brakes first...your theories are useless tripe when presented with real world application..possibly the reason even the super liberal ojama will not advance your cause..and possibly the reason you can only be hired by activist groups pushing b.s. on the american people...go back to your bongs boys..
Tony
7:52 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Or we can set up something that isn't a false equivalency. Besides, I already showed you (and cited) the proof that driving safety in states with MMJ *improves*, to which your response was an incoherent rant about euro-trash, was it not?
BTW, Jimmie... You're not tr0//ing very effectively. First rule, don't ever tell people to "go away" or "go back to ____"... That just lets the person you're trying to annoy know that now YOU are the one who is annoyed. And defeated. Handily.
I'll stay here all night and gladly post citation after citation until you run out of excuses as to why you don't believe any of it. You've inspired me.
Steve Johnson
7:54 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
^Yeah, that was a very cohesive argument. I already told you nobody was pushing for people to drive inebriated. And studies have shown decriminalization and medical marijuana have brought down the number of car crashes with marijuana involved in most states.
Also, don't call a hypothetical mythbusters style test a "real world application."
I would be willing to bet the pot smoking 18 year old would do just fine. In the decade that I have smoked marijuana (driving throughout that decade I should add) I have never gotten so much as a traffic ticket. Got anything to say to that, Mr. Condescending?
jimmie
7:48 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The Food and Drug Administration said Thursday that "no sound scientific studies" supported the medical use of marijuana, contradicting a 1999 review by a panel of highly regarded scientists.
The announcement inserts the health agency into yet another fierce political fight.
FDA results...stoners..get out of your cloud and read the results..
Susan Bro, an agency spokeswoman, said Thursday's statement resulted from a past combined review by federal drug enforcement, regulatory and research agencies that concluded "smoked marijuana has no currently accepted or proven medical use in the United States and is not an approved medical treatment."
Steve Johnson
7:58 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The FDA is paid to say these things, Jimmie. Also just because smoked marijuana has no medical use in the US doesn't mean its ingestion doesn't have any medical use. I know at least a few children who are cancer free from marijuana. I'm sure you'd prefer they were dead though, all part of God's will, huh?
Tony
7:58 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Cannabis fights brain tumors, such as the deadly glioblastoma!!!
Salazar M; Carracedo A; Salanueva IJ; Cecconi, Sonia; Pandolfi, Mar; González-Feria, Ainara; Iovanna, Patricia; Guzmán, Cristina et al. (2009). "Cannabinoid action induces autophagy-mediated cell death through stimulation of ER stress in human glioma cells". The Journal of Clinical Investigation 119 (5): 1359–72.
Cannabis also fights breast cancer!!! Check it out, Jimmie:
McAllister SD, Christian RT, Horowitz MP, Garcia A, Desprez PY (2007). "Cannabidiol as a novel inhibitor of Id-1 gene expression in aggressive breast cancer cells" (Free full text). Molecular Cancer Therapeutics 6 (11): 2921–7.
Look look, Jimmie!!! Cannabis reduces interoccular pressure!!!
Joy, Janet E.; Watson, Stanley J.; Benson, John A., eds. (1999). Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. Washington, D.C.: National Academies Press.
jimmie
7:59 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Night all..when you find a study supported by the MEDICAL community and accepted by their panels that tests humans, not lab rats, then bother the rest of the human race with Ariana's attempt to continue to destroy the fabric of our society. For me, I'll just pray you see the light before the headlights see you. Cheers boys! Back to Spokane
Steve Johnson
8:08 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Ariana... who? Ariana Huffington? Please. You can't talk that way about news giants when you get all your news from Bill O' Reilly and Sean Hannity. She is not destroying the fabric of society, you are destroying the PROGRESS of society i.e. the only reason society exists in the first place.
And rat tests have long been indicators of medical use of chemicals, you ignoramus. Human research is restricted, it would be very easy to conduct human studies if the DEA wouldn't get involved; unfortunately the government simply will not allow the research to take place independent of themselves, even by very accredited sources like the New England Journal of Medicine, because they are terrified of the inevitable result.
Tony
8:12 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Don't leave, Jimmy!!! Do you seriously have an 8pm bedtime, or are you just covering for the fact that you're the only prohibitionist on this thread and you're too frightened by the prospect of trying to refute 40 years of sound research with ad hominem and reductio ad absurdem fallacies all night?
Tony
8:00 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey Jimmie, guess what?!?!?!
Cannabis also prevents the progression of Alzheimer's, so you better toke up, buddy.
Eubanks LM; Rogers CJ; Beuscher AE; Koob, George F.; Olson, Arthur J.; Dickerson, Tobin J.; Janda, Kim D. (2006). "A Molecular Link Between the Active Component of Marijuana and Alzheimer's Disease Pathology". Molecular Pharmaceutics 3 (6): 773–7.
Campbell, VA; Gowran, A (2007 Nov). "Alzheimer's disease; taking the edge off with cannabinoids?". British Journal of Pharmacology 152 (5): 655–62.
Tony
8:09 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey Jimmie!!!!
Here's a list of some of those "drags on society" who have used cannabis
Carl Sagan
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Richard Branson
Ted Turner
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Bruce Lee
Allen Ginsburg
Jack Kerouac
Terry Pratchett
Peter Fonda
Oliver Stone
Newt Gingrich
Sarah Palin
and oh ya... The last three Presidents of the United States.
...as well as Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.
Tony
8:18 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey Jimmie!!!
Did you know that coffee has a higher potential for abuse than cannabis?
The Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs: History, Pharmacology, and Cultural Context, by Daniel M. Perrine, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Chemistry, Loyola College of Baltimore (2010).
Tony
8:29 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
HEY JIMMIE!!!
Did you know that cannabis has never caused a single, recorded overdose?
Did you know that FDA approved drugs kill over 20,000 people every year??? That's about one person every 19 minutes who drop dead because of those lovely FDA-approved pharmeceuticals you worship.
Did you know that there are 25,000 deaths related to alcohol-induced health problems, like heart and liver disease and, of course, alcohol poisoning???
In the United States, tobacco use is responsible for nearly 1 in 5 deaths; this equals about 443,000 early deaths each year. (Source: Cancer Facts & Figures 2012) And according to Dr Donald Tashkin at UCLA in 2005, cannabis smokers have fewer lung cancers than cigarette smokers and fewer cancers than people who smoke NOTHING AT ALL.
WOW, Jimmie... You better wake up start responding, or else a politician might read this stuff and find out it's all true.
Alan E. Mason
8:34 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Tony, your intentions are good and information useful, but you're just feeding the troll. You might as well be discussing the subtleties of Picasso's "Blue" Period with Stevie Wonder.
Tony
9:21 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Alan, I appreciate it.
But my intentions are not good. I'm just having fun embarassing Jimbo. I have no illusions about the scales falling from his eyes.
Tony
8:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
HEY JIMMIE!!!
Did you know that in ancient China, the cannabis plant, known as Ma, was used for food, fuel, clothing, and medicine going back to 6,000 B.C. But the oldest existing reference to medical marijuana dates to 2737 B.C. when the Red Emperor Shen Nung is credited with writing The Herbal, a listing of medicinal properties of various herbs, including Ma, to alleviate rheumatism and gout pain. In 2 A.D. Hua T'o is recorded as having used Ma-yo (the female plant) and red wine as an anesthesia while he performed painful surgeries including organ grafts and loin incisions.
Did you know that, Jimmie?
Jimmie can you hear me?
Tony
8:44 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
JIMMIE JIMMIE JIMMIE!!! GUES WHAT!!!!
Cannabis is also a natural anti-inflammatory and can help fight all kinds of rheumatoid arthritis!!! Ya got bad knees, Jimmie? I bet your knees hurt pretty bad right now....
Sofia RD (1989). Antiedemic and analgesic properties of delta-9-THC compared with three other drugs. Eur. J. Pharamacol. 41: 705-9
Zurier RB et al (1998). Dimethylheptyl-THC-11 Oic Acid: A Nonpsychoactive Antiinflammatory Agent with a Cannabinoid Template Structure. ARTHRITIS AND RHEUMATISM January; volume 41, number 1, pages 163-170.
Costa B et al (2004). Oral anti-inflammatory activity of cannabidiol, a non-psychoactive constituent of cannabis, in acute carrageenan-induced inflammation in the rat paw. Naunyn Schmiedebergs Arch Pharmacol. Mar;369(3):294-9. Epub 2004 Feb 12.
Malfait AM et al (2000) .The nonpsychoactive cannabis constituent cannabidiol is an oral antiarthritic therapeutic in murine collagen-induced arthritis. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. Aug 15 97(17):9561-6.
James JS (1998). Marijuana, inflammation, and CT-3 (DMH-11C): cannabis leads to new class of antiinflammatory drugs. Treat News. Jan 23;(No 287):1, 5.
Straus SE (2000). Immunoactive cannabinoids: Therapeutic prospects for marijuana constituents. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. Aug 15 97(17):9563.
Tony
8:54 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie, at this rate, you're never going to prove you're not full of it....
GUESS WHAT ELSE....
According to the CDC methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) was responsible for 18,650 deaths in the United States in 2005. MSRA is the sort of bacteria that has evolved to be resistant to most of the standard pharmaceutical anti-bacterial agents, making them increasingly deadly and hard to control. According to the CDC, Jimmie, MRSA is what people commonly refer to as a SUPERBUG.
Jimmie, I'll give you three guesses what fights MRSA... THAT's RIGHT,
Cannabis fights MRSA!!!
Appendino, Giovanni; Simon Gibbons, Anna Giana, Alberto Pagani, Gianpaolo Grassi, Michael Stavri, Eileen Smith and M. Mukhlesur Rahman (6 August 2008). "Antibacterial cannabinoids from Cannabis sativa: a structure−activity study". Journal of Natural Products 71 (8): 1427–1430.
Got an infection, Jimmie? Better get some ganja.
jimmie
9:02 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
still cant produce research accepted by anyone Tony...fact remains, you want to live your life in a bong..with steve..with allen..you tangled with someone with better evidence than euro trash decades old outdated tripe..cheers stoners..enjoy the curly fries tomorrow..i like mine medium please..
jimmie
8:58 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
ahhh...a nice circle jerk..among pothead jerks...the fact remains boys your research is outdated, unproven and worthless..now put your kid in front of your car after lighting 2 up and prove it...
Tony
9:03 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Oh Jimmie, It seems as though you've neglected to mention even ONE of the subjects in my posts.
Does this mean you're too scared to argue, point by point?
I THINK IT DOES.
Tony
9:01 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Come on, Jimmie. People are going to laugh at you if you don't start the refutations.
BTW, I found one that should be very close-to-home for you...
CANNABIS FIGHTS CONSTIPATION
Junling, Cao. "1, Chen Gangzheng 2, Ren Hanyang 1, Zhang Ju 1, Xue Chunmiao 1; The Effect of Oil of Fructus Cannabis on the Sera, Brains’ NO and Thymus Histology of the Mice in Constipation Caused by Compound Di Fen Nuo Zhi [J]." Journal of Henan College of Traditional Chinese Medicine 1 (2004).
......................or maybe you just have a stick crammed up there, Jimmie.
jimmie
9:12 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
mice constipation? nice... ariana huffing provide a pic for that one...what about the study that says marijuana expands the rectal cavity to aide in gay sex?
Steve Johnson
9:48 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You have a problem with gay sex Jimmie? You are clearly a homophobic hate mongerer. I bet you're the kind of man who wouldn't let a black man marry his daughter.
Tony
9:06 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Maybe it's just your time of the month, Jimmie...
BUT FEAR NOT, cuz there is a cure for your painful cramps!
Russo, Ethan. "Cannabis treatments in obstetrics and gynecology: A historical review." Journal of Cannabis Therapeutics 2.3-4 (2002): 5-35.
Tony
9:10 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Come on, Jimbo. Tr0// me. Bring it!
jimmie
9:10 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
that was a good one tony..another 10 year old study buddy with no support from the independent community..kind of like someone stating that tony is great in the journal of tony...night night advocates..don't forget to inhale!
Tony
9:13 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I'm disappointed in you, Jimmy-boy. I expected more than QQing & a white flag.
jimmie
9:21 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey dude, I gave you quotes to the top medical studies from the legit organizations that all concluded marijuans is useful for nothing else than killing yourself faster...you have provided isolated liberally funded euro studies on rats or by economists on the effects of marijuana. I'll let the public decide which they want to believe. In less than 100 posts you have shown all the fallacies in your positions. As Alan would say, we ain't gonna agree. Don;t know what QQ'ing is..probably dont want to know. Have to prep for work tomorrow and spend time with the lady or I'm sure we could go on. Cheers! Don't toke and drive!
Tony
9:26 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
OH JIMMIE SAY IT AIN'T SO
You're quitting on me? Another disappointment.
Fact is, I've put up more FACTS than you can keep track of. Tomorrow, you're going to be trying to remember HALF of the information I gave you.
BTW, another empirically verifiable fact: internet tr0//s like you don't have ladies.
Something else you shoulda googled for, along with all the QQing
If this is truly to be our final exchange, let me teach you something. When you refuse to engage in point-by-point discussion and leave ALL the arguments of your oppontent unaddressed, not only do you CEDE those points (you haven't refuted one thing anybody has posted to this thread, Jimmie) but you also lose the credible position to *COMPLAIN* when your opponent doesn't address the points YOU post.
So quit your QQing. You lost the argument before I got here, peaches.
Tony
9:30 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie? Jimmie, are you there?
Has anyone seen Jimmie?
Fellas, you guys seen Jimmie around????
......I don't think he's coming back
jimmie
9:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
one more for the road fellas
..NIH 2011
However, we do know that—
A meta-analysis of approximately 60 experimental studies—including laboratory, driving simulator, and on-road experiments—found that behavioral and cognitive skills related to driving performance were impaired in a dose-dependent fashion with increasing THC blood levels.12
Evidence from both real and simulated driving studies indicates that marijuana can negatively affect a driver’s attentiveness, perception of time and speed, and ability to draw on information obtained from past experiences.
A study of over 3,000 fatally injured drivers in Australia showed that when marijuana was present in the blood of the driver, he or she was much more likely to be at fault for the accident. Additionally, the higher the THC concentration, the more likely the driver was to be culpable.13
Research shows that impairment increases significantly when marijuana use is combined with alcohol.14 Studies have found that many drivers who test positive for alcohol also test positive for THC, making it clear that drinking and drugged driving are often linked behaviors.
Steve Johnson
9:45 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
This is all totally irrelevant because high driving will still be illegal. So get over it..
Tony
10:01 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Australia!!!
That's not a legit study! They drive on the LEFT in Australia...
(this is what you sound like, Jimmie)
Tony
10:06 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
wait wait wait...
You said an hour ago you were going to prepare for your fictional job and be with your fictional lady.
I call fiction!
Tony
9:57 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If in fact Jimmie has gone to be with his left hand, let me break character to make a serious post.
Once upon a time, in the 1980s, I too believed everything I saw on television...
Then a wonderful thing happened. The Information Age kicked off.
Now, anyone with access to the internet can learn anything they want to. Most people can pull their phone out of their pocket and LEARN about virtually any subject. Classic "drug war" propoganda (Reefer Madness, your brain on drugs, etc) only worked because information moved so slowly. If your info was the loudest and most circulated, it became *true* in the public eye by virtue of its ubiquity.
Now, that's not the case.
Now, we have fact checkers.
Now, we have Google.
Now, we have the all-powerful internet.
Now is the most exciting time to be alive.
Like I said, once upon a time, I too believed that anything called "drugs" was bad and that "drugs" would reduce my brain to a fried egg. In my late 20s, while in graduate school, I was fortunate enough to take a neuroanatomy class in which we covered all the negative effects of illegal "drugs" and some of the popular legal ones.
Cannabis didn't have any of the negative effects the others do. In fact, cannabis is far, far *safer* than most legal drugs we have.
My professor wisely told us to Google the "endocannabinoid system".
I bet others will do so right now. And like me, will accept the truth: that they were lied to about cannabis.
jimmie
10:05 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
neuroanatomy? that would be the same major as the Colorado shooter..who was also a cannibbis supporter..good connection there Tony...preach your lies to the masses buddy..it worked for Jim JOnes..hope it doesn't work for you and the great one Adriana..
jimmie
10:06 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
accept the truth mushbrains..Tony IS the lie!!
jimmie
10:07 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Tony IS the lie!
Steve Johnson
11:08 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie, how can you be that stupid? What kind of argument is that? Ted Bundy was a republican so you must be a serial killer Jimmie.
jimmie
10:03 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I leave that to the wife Tony...you can leave it to Freddy...when you wake up from your drug induced coma, heres the reason why all your 10 year old studies are worthless...todays pot is a heck uv a lot stronger than 10 years ago..
The first thing my boss—the drug control policy director Gil Kerlikowske, a.k.a., the Drug Czar—did was tell the Wall Street Journal in 2010 that the “drug war is over,” and that we would be pivoting drug policy toward a more balanced, health-oriented approach. Some took that to mean that the administration was in favor of marijuana legalization. But it actually meant that we would use the best evidence available to address the many, complex aspects of drug policymaking. At the end of the day, that evidence pointed away from, not toward, legalization.
Marijuana is now the number one reason kids enter treatment—more than alcohol, cocaine, heroin, meth, ecstasy, and other drugs combined. How did this come to be? The most likely culprit is the increased potency of marijuana.
We in the Obama Administration concluded that for the broad swaths of society, marijuana use is a large and growing public health issue with significant costs
Tony
10:10 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
How many times are you going to post this, Jimbo?
That must be some good stuff you're smoking if ALL of us are experiencing YOUR time loop.
Maybe Bruce Willis will play you in the movie.
jimmie
10:06 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The first thing my boss—the drug control policy director Gil Kerlikowske, a.k.a., the Drug Czar—did was tell the Wall Street Journal in 2010 that the “drug war is over,” and that we would be pivoting drug policy toward a more balanced, health-oriented approach. Some took that to mean that the administration was in favor of marijuana legalization. But it actually meant that we would use the best evidence available to address the many, complex aspects of drug policymaking. At the end of the day, that evidence pointed away from, not toward, legalization.
Marijuana is now the number one reason kids enter treatment—more than alcohol, cocaine, heroin, meth, ecstasy, and other drugs combined. How did this come to be? The most likely culprit is the increased potency of marijuana.
We in the Obama Administration concluded that for the broad swaths of society, marijuana use is a large and growing public health issue with significant costs
Tony
10:09 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Oh Jimmie. I guess you're trying to convince people you're important, now.
Your boss, Gil Kerlikowske????? HAHAHAHAHA
Sure.
Oh wait wait wait, are you just cutting and pasting without reading what you're posting???? Or are you seriously trying to sell the idea that YOU are in some way a member of the Obama administration?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Jimmie, please, don't ever change.
Tony
10:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie? You still there, Jimmie? Or did you get a call from Gil and/or Barrack?
Steve Johnson
11:13 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie stop being so ignorant. Marijuana is absolutely the number one reason people enter treatment, because when an innocent user is caught by the police he is given the choice: rehab or prison. So they pick the one where they don't get raped for a plant. Make sense to you? Probably not since it didn't come out of Karl Rove's mouth.
Alan E. Mason
11:52 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
"Meet Obama's Proposed 2013 Federal Drug Budget (by Phillip Smith, February 15, 2012)
The Obama administration this week released its Fiscal Year 2013 National Drug Control Budget, and it wants to spend nearly $26 billion on federal anti-drug programs. Despite all the talk about the staggering federal debt problem and current budget deficits, the administration found nothing to cut here. Instead, the proposed budget increases federal anti-drug funding by 1.6% over fiscal year 2012.
The proposed budget is remarkable for how closely it hews to previous years, especially in regard to the allocation of resources for demand reduction (treatment and prevention) versus those for supply reduction (domestic and international law enforcement and interdiction). The roughly 40:60 ratio that has been in place for years has shifted, but only incrementally. The 2013 budget allocates 41.2% for treatment and prevention and 58.2% for law enforcement."
So much for taking a more balanced, health oriented approach.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/feb/15/meet_obamas_proposed_2013_federa
Tony
10:15 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
JIMMIE JIMMIE JIMMIE
I found the article you're cutting and pasting from.
Ya know, the one you're using to appear as though you have thoughs of your own?
It's an article entitled "Weed Should Be Illegal" posted to The Fix on November 2nd.
Want me to cut and paste the rest of your "thoughts" for you?
Tony
10:21 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
HOLY COW, Jimmie!!!
Upon reviewing your posts, MOST of them are straight-up cut and pasted from .gov websites.
You really didn't even TRY to find "independent" sources like you preach about, did you?
That's just priceless.
Tony
10:43 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jimmie, it's been over 20 minutes since you've plagiarised.
...I mean, it's been 20 minutes since you've POSTED. What was it I said?
You ok, Jimmie?
LT
10:54 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Nice job Tony. I definitely want you on our side. Keep fighting. Never give up. Or should I say never Jimmie!!
To Jimmie= quit, run, cower with your tail between your legs.....
Tony
11:03 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
;-) Willful ignorance shouldn't be tolerated. It should be punished with overwhelming knowledge (and full bibliographic citations).
Tony
11:08 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
In truth, I probably wouldn't have bent Jimmie over like that if he wasn't both wrong AND a dbag about how right he *thought* he was. I usually play nice when sharing information.
jimmie
8:00 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
sig heil LT!!! Lets all bow down to the chieftain..LT! Tony, kiss the ring of moral destruction....ahhhh...thank you fellas...now go forth and corrupt society...love, satan
LT
11:14 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Those are the types of people we are up against. We are getting stronger by the day. It will be truly a tough battle but I am confident together we can win.
Tony
11:37 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Absolutely. I intend to hold up my end.
This conversation thread, to Jimmie's dismay, is going to be useful in that battle. Very Useful. Sure, I had my fun, but I never said anything that wasn't true, I backed all of it up with references, and every last reference I put was a citation for research from a peer reviewed journal.
Jimmie mighta been running scared from my posts, but hidden in Jimmie's QQ-wake are some really good nuggets of information about cannabis. Jimmie's nightmare could turn into some curious person's epistemic dreamscape (if someone actually has the diligence to read the entire thread, that is).
The key is this: don't be afraid to correct someone when they say something about cannabis that is NOT true. Don't back down from it. Don't let the misinformation spread, and spread a little knowledge while you're at it. And always always always encourage people to check for themselves & not just take your word for it.
It works. Tell them what to look for, let them make up their own minds.
Like Mark Twain (maybe) said, "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." People have been fooled about cannabis for the last 40 years. And oh boy is it hard to get anyone to admit it. It's better if they admit it to themselves, first, through their own research.
That's why I always say "Google it. Check for yourself."
It's a helpful strategy to avoid the "Jimmies" out there.
Alan E. Mason
10:38 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jim Bob makes me think of something former CIA director WIlliam Casey said: "We will know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
jimmie
8:01 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
you are a great foot soldier of death tony!...love, lucifer
Tony
9:11 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
We've already established you're the foot-soldier of death, Jimbo.
You absolutely worship the federal government like it's some sort of deity. Like we already covered (and you failed to address, of course) is that there have been ZERO recorded cannabis fatalities, while on the other hand 20,000 people die from FDA approved drugs every year.
PWNED again, Jimmie!!!
Larry
9:04 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
rough crowd here...what happened to the Peace and Love "pot culture" of the 60's?
Looks lie they're all grown up now!
Larry
9:04 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
lie= like
Tony
9:30 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
True enough, Larry. I'm not saying there aren't legalization advocates who fit the classic, passive "stoner" stereotype. But I am saying that the stereotype doesn't fit everyone. Not all advocates smoke, for example. And not all advocates for legalization curl up into the fetal position and quit when confronted by a "Jimmie". Jimmie came to this thread thinking he'd push some "stoners" around.
Cowards often troll, bully, and harrass people anonymously on the internet to (in a most empty way) validate their manhood without putting their tender, lilly-white hides at risk of bruising.
Jimmie is such a person.
He's too proud to admit he's been very very wrong about cannabis, and he's not smart enough to argue honestly or intelligently. So he's digressed from simply cutting and pasting propoganda dribble from .gov websites to ad hominem attacks because, otherwise, he'd have *NOTHING* substantive to say.
Scroll up and look. It's actually pretty funny. Especially when I called him out for cutting and pasting from a website called "The Fix", trying to pass it off as his own thoughts. And if that's not pathetic enough, he posted it multiple times without reading it: makes himself sound like he works for the White House!!!
Jimmie threw down a couple new ad hominem this morning, but doesn't have the stones to say directly address anything I've posted. Cuz he can't. Cowards are, by definition, too cowardly.
He's too intimidated. By us "stoners". LOL
jimmie
9:11 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Larry....where have you been?? Peace and Love has become activism, socialism and intolerance...what happens when the devil lets loose his angels
jimmie
9:18 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
These aren't grown up kids from the 60's Larry..in the 60's these fools weren't even shards in their mothers womb..these are the products of 80s sex acts, engaged in by brainless, mindless parents whose total lack of positive influence have resulted in the mess depicted here.
jimmie
9:20 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Got to go to work..time to pay for Tonys welfare or unemployment payment....if he has ever worked to qualify for unemployment...don't run over anybody on your way for java and weed Tony!
jimmie
9:29 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Young or old, the use of marijuana easily drains energy and motivation from a regular, not necessarily daily, user. The person still performs the various roles of life, but they are not fully present. Family and friends observe this and feel a real loss. The marijuana user may complain that he or she is helpless to stop, lack motivation and are prevented from using their abilities and talents to their fullest. Or they might just deny that anything is wrong.
We must not allow ourselves to be lulled into thinking that marijuana is somehow safe because it is “not as bad” as other drugs or alcohol. This drug should be measured on the basis of its own destructive effects and not by a false comparison with other substances.
Tony
9:43 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Fascinating, Jimmie. Who wrote it?
I know it wasn't you. I'm looking at the article where it was posted ORIGINALLY.
So tell me, Jimmie, do you even know who you're plagiarising from?
Tony
9:44 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Oh oh oh, here's my favorite line from your CNBC "study"
"This essay is not meant to be a rigorous scientific treatise."
NO KIDDING!!!
jimmie
9:30 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Just another 2011 or later conclusions of a study on human beings, not rats, not birds, not other rodents...stop the falsehoods potheads...!!!
Tony
9:33 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You forgot your citations, Jimmie!!! HAHAHAHAHA
Tony
9:35 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Didn't you just say you have to go to work, Jimbo? DON'T LEAVE.
I wanna trounce you AGAIN.
jimmie
9:31 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
As a nation we are not yet ready to answer this question: Are we ready to legalize marijuana.
A prerequisite question must be answered first. It takes its cue from what physicians ask themselves before prescribing medications. It is this: What are the dangers vs. the benefits of marijuana?
From my perspective as an addiction psychiatrist it is clear that many see only one side of this two-pronged question. They herald the benefits of marijuana and claim it is benign. Since 1982, I have treated literally several thousand individuals suffering from all varieties of addiction, including marijuana dependency and abuse. From this clinical experience, I have taken away a strong conviction that marijuana is dangerous.
Tony
9:38 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Another cut and paste from a blog???!!! CNBC, no less. "Marijuana Is Addictive, Destructive And Dangerous"
Read the comments on that blog, Jimmie. Nobody agrees with the author. LOL
OH MY, Jimmie. You're not even pretending to have original thoughts anymore.
jimmie
9:32 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I've got 42 more studies on live humans Tony..all since the time our jerkweed leader Obama has been in office..all conclude the same thing..you potheads are truly insane if you think legalization would mean a better society, safer society or any society... see ya
Tony
9:41 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You've got 42 more blog posts, not studies. If you had STUDIES, you'd have CITED them. You have the opinions that fit your opinions.
While you must just be brustling with how opinionated you are, being opinionated doesn't make you CORRECT.
Alan already refuted your "look at how many people have been treated" argument
Yesterday!!!
When faced with either jail or mandatory treatment, people choose treatment to, and I'm paraphrasing, avoid being raped over a plant.
Jimmie Jimmie Jimmie... You're seriously in trouble. Today I'm home sick, and have nothing better to do than drink OJ and make you look foolish.
Keep em coming, skippy.
rb
11:46 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
well it would sure mean a richer society. It's only been around in force fore over fourty years.
whistleblower45
10:01 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey Jimmie how bout them TWO LOSSES in a row???
whistleblower45
10:07 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I bet Jimmies wife left him for a pot head
Alan E. Mason
11:10 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
"Marijuana is already the most studied plant on Earth, and is arguably one of the most investigated therapeutically active substances known to man. To date, there are now over 20,000 published studies or reviews in the scientific literature pertaining to marijuana and its active compounds.....
And what have we learned from these 20,000+ studies? Not surprisingly, quite a lot. For starters, we know that cannabis and its active constituents are uniquely safe and effective as therapeutic compounds. Unlike most prescription or over-the-counter medications, cannabinoids are virtually non-toxic to health cells or organs, and they are incapable of causing the user to experience a fatal overdose. Unlike opiates, cannabinoids do not depress the central nervous system, and as a result they possess a virtually unparalleled safety profile. In fact, a 2008 meta-analysis published in the Journal of the Canadian Medical Association (CMAJ) reported that cannabis-based drugs were associated with virtually no serious adverse side effects in over 30 years of investigative use."
Read the rest at: http://blog.norml.org/2010/07/01/theres-been-over-20000-studies-on-marijuana-what-is-it-that-scientists-do-not-yet-know/
PS: I already know that Jim Bob will say its all the studies done since 2010 that really matter. Or call me a lazy pot-smoking homo burden on society that molests little boys when I'm not getting stoned. Or both. Oh well...
LT
1:42 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmy, I will make you a deal. Anywhere, anytime, anyplace. You being you and I will be stoned. I will and can outperform you in ANY task. I do have a very well paying job. I do have a very strong family life. I do teach my children right from wrong. Unlike you who uses a book. Yes a simple book which has more different interpretations than a child's fairy tale. To scare your children rather than teach. You preach with no factual information what you read in a book in the 60's.
And oh yeah, since you work for The White House, pretty cool your president said pot smokers aren't on his top list of priorities. Face it, your time is coming to an end. Hmmm maybe that's what the Mayans meant?
jimmie
4:47 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Your bizarre comments are probably the result of being stoned or selling out to Satans forces. You may know that Jim Jones was an incredibly well paid addict of destruction, whose loyal believers died as result of their foolishness. You may wish for the destruction of those like me, but know that I have no inkling of doing anything other than turning you over to God above to deal with as he sees fit. In the meantime, let me summarize what 160 posts have concluded:
1. You guys have quoted a bunch of decades old studies, predominantly on rats and mostly +10 years old to support conclusions that no reasonable authority has accepted as "good science" as recent as last week.
2. I have cited all the reputable sources (NIH, DEA, FDA, MA and others) who are not funded by NORML, or a liberal European contingent, but by independent researchers whose agreement is overwhelming against the position you and minions are attempting to support.
3. I will gladly take you up on your offer though, why don't you get stoned, get behind the wheel of the car of your choice and I'll get behind the wheel of another one..and we will cruise side by side at 30 miles per hour..and at the time of an independent persons choosing your kids will be pushed in front of both cars. Bet I stop first. If you are stupid enough to accept that task, then you are a walking memorial to the destructive nature of the substance you worship.
Good luck in life deviants! I'm praying for you to see the light.
Tony
5:52 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie Jimmie Jimmie... Did you just compare legalization advocates to the mass suicides of the Peoples Temple??? There's no parallel there, AT ALL.
BTW, while we're correcting your mistakes, the NIH, DEA, FDA, and MA are all government agencies and departments. That means, Jimbo, that they are NOT independent. LOL.
How come you refuse to acknowledge how you've been exposed, twice, as a plagiarist attempting to pass off excerpts from articles as your own thoughts?
OH, and one more thing, Jimmie. Cannabis is a plant, and according to your favorite book, God put it here. Are you saying GOD made a mistake? You ought to be told that the oil Jesus was annointed with at Bethany was cannabis oil.
Feel free to pray for everyone else, but don't waste your time with me, Jimbo. Honestly, the prayers of the prideful & disengenuous don't interest me OR GOD, for that matter.
You've been deliberately dishonest in our little conversation, Jimmie. You run from every single argument that you're confronted with, electing instead to bring in GOD on your side because you don't have the capacity to form a counter-argument on your own. There's a special hot-place set aside for the fakes and pretenders who use God to excuse their decisions and actions.
Notice NONE of us tried that, but you did! I'm afraid you're only going to see one side of those pearly gates, peaches. After that, St Pete can put on you the express elevator GOING DOWN.
LT
5:25 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
We're destructive? Yet of all the words the Lord has given you to choose from YOU continually say for someones child to be thrown in the street? We've never said that getting behind the wheel in any intoxicated state is our goal, and yes Jimmie when you take the over the counter cough medicine you can be considered under the influence. Let he who be without sin cast the first stone. You are not without sin my friend. You accuse us of worshipping Satan??? Yet you have no facts to back your accusations. You have been so blinded by your faith and we will pray for you. Did your family take part in witch trials too. You are citing propaganda that you were force fed as a child. Open your eyes. Stop using your religious beliefs as a reason to hate. (That's a sin Jimmie.)
jimmie
6:13 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hiss hiss hiss hear the demons rumble
Tony
7:07 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey Jimmie, I hear the Westboro Baptist Church has an opening in their hate group.
You should check it out.
Carl
5:51 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie, you seem like a smart man which is why i can't fathom how you don't see what's right in front of your eyes. You also seem like an older man, which perhaps is the reason why your views are so outdated and stereotypical.
Not everybody who uses cannabis is the stereotypical "pothead" who just wants to stay "stoned" all day on the couch as you said above. This has been pointed out to you many times and you choose to ignore it. Your Reefer Madness view on things need to be revised.
Tony
6:16 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Carl, your heart may be in the right place, but Jimmie is not a smart man.
Over the past two days, he's compared everyone who doesn't agree with him (eg, everyone!) to the devil, Hitler, Jim Jones, and the Aurora theater shooter. Oh, and just to hit it home, he's been very bigotted and homophobic in his posts, as well.
And Jimmie seems to think that faith, religion, and worship is a game of firsties. Jimmie thinks that since he invoked God FIRST, that God is naturally on his side and not on ours.
Don't provoke Jimmie unless you want to be called a devil-worshipping "stoner" who engages in sodomy before running down kids with your car on the way to the mass suicide.
Yes, I know, that doesn't make any sense.
No, we don't know how/why/where Jimmie came up with it.
The funny part, Jimmie thinks he's going to heaven because he screams God's name the loudest. Shame it's a moral standard, Jimbo!
jimmie
6:29 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Carl I've heard the story a thousand times when you help send people to prison for financial crimes they commit to support reefer, crack and other habits they have you get to see the true impact of what this substance beyond the body. It's a victory to send fools like Tony away to serve a little time. And it's astounding how even time can't change the addiction so I will never let these haters of laws convince anyone else this is a harmless substance. The real change in the users to break free from this is accomplished by watching it's horrible effects on others or putting their lives in gods hands. The latter is a foolproof solution. If the others want to try to reverse religion as supporting their position, it's not me they have to deal with. I deal in reality, the crazies on this string deal in deception and destruction. You should use my experience as a tool to learn not to mock. But then again potheads can't understand the difference. Cheers all. Big day tomorrow. Remember Gomorrah
Steve Johnson
7:51 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Do not worry Jimmie, we are helping society. Saying that homosexuality is the biggest threat to society is proof that YOU want to destroy it. You are a bigot and frankly you deserve to go to Hell more than anyone else commenting here. You spread hatred and intolerance. You are as lost and pathetic as the men who protested against Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights Movement. Just like these cases, gay marriage and now the legalization of marijuana, you are nothing but afraid of change. I'm sure you'd have no problem with me running over your son if he was gay.
Steve Johnson
7:54 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
The number of people who have committed violent crimes for alcohol is much higher than that of marijuana, Jimmie. The fact is that marijuana users enter prison as innocent, normal people like you and me (well, you're not normal, you're a bigot and a horrible, horrible person) and leave having been turned into hardened criminals by the prisons. You, supporting this, are supporting an increase in gang activities and violent crimes.
Tony
6:38 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie, if there's one thing you do NOT deal in, it's REALITY.
We've been posting REAL stuff that you've dismissed out of hand, without even ATTEMPTING to read it because it doesn't jive with your preconceptions.
You're the one who invoked God to support your non-argument, peaches.
Not us.
And you still refuse to address anything we've posted. Know why? Cuz you're wrong and too self-absorbed to acknowledge it.
You're the ultimate non-Christian narcissist who doesn't think something is pious because God approves, but you think God approves because YOU approve. That's hubris on a massive scale! If God's word is meant for everyone, it has to be OBJECTIVELY true and not just whatever makes JIMMIE happy.
You use God's name to say/think/do whatever *you* think is right/wrong!
HUBRIS, by any other name, would smell as rotten.
jimmie
7:12 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Even I despise the westboro baptist church Tony. While I believe that homosexuality is the biggest threat to society, I don't believe in picketing the funerals of anyone to make that point. Go with Jesus, Tony, use your god given skills to help society, not hurt it
Tony
7:22 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I believe HATE is the biggest threat to society.
And you are simply BRIMMING with hate, Jimbo.
LT
7:53 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Let's let go of Jimmie. Let's discuss what we need to do. Where do we sign? How do we push? I've already signed many petitions and written to my congressman. What else can we do?
Steve Johnson
7:58 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
LT, sending letters to your congressman is a great start, of course. Check out what local groups may exist that you could become a part of and get involved. Other than that, I'm not sure. I think time is our enemy right now, while the feds start to come to the realization that they need to rethink the law, many states are gearing up to legalize in 2014 and 2016. That is when I think a major overhaul will start to happen, but in the meantime the best thing I can think to do is to educate people you know and people you talk to, try to keep a level head for the Jimmies among them and hope they can see the light.
jimmie
7:54 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Brimming with love Antonio..but have a well founded idea of who the enemies of society are..and have no problem prohibiting their march toward the armageddon of the state and city I live in.. Merry Christmas. May the new year bring you closer to your maker and closer to your family and closer to the truth.
Tony
8:16 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Brimming with love? That's obscene coming from you. Sure, you love everyone, as long as they aren't different from you in any way. On this conversation thread, alone, you've made it clear that you HATE "stoners", homosexuals, anyone at the Huffington Post, and the President of the United States.
You have an enemies list, skippy.
Christians... TRUE Christians... don't hate people CATEGORICALLY like you do. So I guess you think God's message is love everyone who isn't different?
There's that HUBRIS again.
Frankly, Jimmie, God isn't doing you any good. You've taken poetic license with God's message to the point where you legitimately believe God wants to punish people because of the way they are born. That makes no sense.
I'm with Steve. You're a bigot. You're a hate-monger. And as Steve pointed out, just as with womens' suffrage, the Civil Rights Movement, and now gay marriage and cannabis reform, you are the problem, not the solution. You're fighting the tides of change for selfish reasons.
Jeez. You even said you think people should "do a little time" (as if prison is some sort of weekend prayer group retreat) for possession of a plant that occurs naturally all over the planet; God's planet.
Seriously, Jimmie. Go join the Westboro Bigots. They're your kinda people. Just stay home when they protest funerals for the troops. Of course, you'll be in a big pickle if the funeral they're protesting is for a GAY soldier.
jimmie
7:58 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I got some ideas LT...the liberal mayor of Atlanta would probably be a good start, but I wouldn't destroy a public park this time..Merry Christmas, LT. MAy the new year also bring you closer to your maker and your family and the truth.
jimmie
8:01 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Merry Christmas to you too Steve..and remember..its those that don't blog with you that present the biggest challenges to the agenda. I'll see you at the ballot box
jimmie
8:15 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Such anger tony. Must know the positions are valid. Didn't write bible buddy just believe in what it says and believe that god will be patient with us only so long. Look at it this way, my belief in god means I don't need marijuana to get high! Hope you feel better and actually have a job to go to tomorrow.
Tony
8:22 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Of course it's anger, sparky. You hate people and window-dress it as love & Jesus.
That's a crock.
You demonize a plant and anyone who possesses it or advocates for it.
You indiscriminately hate people for who they are.
You, Jimmie, are the sort of person we're supposed to get angry at.
Frankly, you disgust me.
jimmie
8:18 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You can LT..commit yourself to Christ
Steve Johnson
8:23 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Christ will send your butt to Hell with all of the other evil people in this world.
jimmie
8:19 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You can LT..commit yourself to Christ
Leave a comment
Tony
8:28 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You cut'n'paste "Leave a comment", genius.
jimmie
8:40 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Right out of the liberal playbook. The people that demand tolerance are the most intolerant of them all. Used to your tripe buddy. I know the danger and I will be vigilant to stop it. And the more vigilant I have become, the better I feel about life and helping those who care when bullies like you want to silence their opinion. Good luck Stevie and merry Christmas.
Tony
8:51 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie, you can say people are being "intolerant" of your right be intolerant, yourself. That's not intolerance. That's honest objection to openly HATING entire groups of people. That's "intolerance" in the same universe in which eating a chicken sandwich at a drive-thru is social activism (it's actually just letting people know, publicly, what a bigot you are).
You can't call "intolerance" if someone, ACCURATELY, calls you a bigot, Jimbo. As we've already established, you categorically hate entire groups of people on the basis of prejudice. THAT MAKES YOU A BIGOT.
That's semantics, Jimmie. That's what the word "bigot" means!!!
BIGOT - a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
That's you, Jimmie. Pointing it out is *not* intolerance. It's adherance to semantics.
jimmie
8:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You can LT..commit yourself to Christ
You can Tony..commit yourself to Christ
That better boy wonders?
jimmie
8:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You can LT..commit yourself to Christ
You can Tony..commit yourself to Christ
That better boy wonders?
Tony
9:09 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie, I already told you to save your pressumptive prayers.
Jimmie, I already told you to save your pressumptive prayers.
(does it help to post things TWICE for you, Jimbo?)
Something tells me that you and God are *not* on the same page. It's probably how well you fit the definition of "bigot" to a T. Or your willful ignorance. Or your unrelenting self-righteousness. Or all of the above.
Seriously. Save it. You're only saying this to feel good about yourself; you're not *actually* going to pray for any of us.
Really, what would that prayer sound like? It would sound like a petulant child talking to his imaginary friend asking him to "take care of" everything that bothers you, personally.
You're not just an aweful Christian, Jimmie. You're a terrible person.
jimmie
9:04 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Tony, not listening to your fierce LT and letting little ole me, a very secure, happily married (to a woman), financially successful to the point where our pres doesn't like me and doesn't think $250K a year is enough tax for me to pay, keep you from your appointed agenda of pot smoking apocalypse!! lets see now, its taken lord knows how much combined brain power to come up with the idea of writing your congressman and tell them how much you want to stay drugged for life, and what else? push? Push what? The escape button cause the plan stinks! You guys even old enough to be up this late at night? Take a break from world of dorkcraft, stop milking the bong and ask yourself is this my purpose in life? To try to legalize a dangerous drug? To teach my kids there is no god but pot? Why don't you take them,and yourself, and your family to chick fil a and see what an incredible success a drug free, christian based restaurant can be. Do something positive with your life..you've only lived about 20 years, you can still save yourself.
jimmie
9:05 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Tony, not listening to your fierce LT and letting little ole me, a very secure, happily married (to a woman), financially successful to the point where our pres doesn't like me and doesn't think $250K a year is enough tax for me to pay, keep you from your appointed agenda of pot smoking apocalypse!! lets see now, its taken lord knows how much combined brain power to come up with the idea of writing your congressman and tell them how much you want to stay drugged for life, and what else? push? Push what? The escape button cause the plan stinks! You guys even old enough to be up this late at night? Take a break from world of dorkcraft, stop milking the bong and ask yourself is this my purpose in life? To try to legalize a dangerous drug? To teach my kids there is no god but pot? Why don't you take them,and yourself, and your family to chick fil a and see what an incredible success a drug free, christian based restaurant can be. Do something positive with your life..you've only lived about 20 years, you can still save yourself.
Steve Johnson
10:53 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Did you really just drop Chik-Fil-A as a great example of anything? Not only is their owner a bigot (which is a shame, quite tasty food), but I have had many friends work at several different Chik-Fil-A's over the past 10-15 years and most of them say the same thing, which is that most of the workers deal drugs on the side. Not just weed either, the real drugs.
Also, you don't know how old anyone here is Jimmie, stop acting like you do.
Nobody is saying they're going to tell their kids there is no God. Children, and people of all ages should come to their own conclusions and have the right to change their minds at any age.
And I would love to know that in my lifetime I would have the chance to end a law that was founded on the fact that marijuana would "make a colored man want to sleep with your wife!"
jimmie
9:11 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
as to your bigot comments tony...your liberal playbook has been out there for years..I don't hate lions, I don't tigers, I don't gays...but I do not trust any of the above to set an agenda for society in which I live. I have gays as clients, in fact I took one to chick fil a.on cfa appreciation day. The same person who walked into the office, and had to notice the American flag by my desk and the King James Version of the Holy Bible on the desk. He pays ,me big bucks because he knows I'm very good at what I do. And he knows I don't force my agenda on anyone. He knows exactly where I stand without opening his mouth. You, sir, are a bigot in that anyone who disagrees with you is a intolerant, homophobic wierdo. I just refuse to live by your rules and couldn't give a lesser darn if that bothers you.
jimmie
9:14 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Bring it Tony..bring the anger Big Boy..release it..and then maybe theres hope for you!
Tony
9:25 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Jimmie, you're the one rapid-fire posting like you're scared of me.
You're also talking a big game, there, Jimbo! $250k? No wonder you think so highly of yourself. If, in fact, it's true. Which it isn't. Did I mention I'm an astronaught? LOL
I'd sooner believe that you'd actually pray for someone besides yourself.
Let's recap our lil' ole conversation for lil' ole Jimbo...
Cannabis is 100% safe and nontoxic. It is effective in treating and preventing medical conditions such as MS, MD, Glaucoma, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, CANCER, as well as several different IBS conditions like Crohn's and CONSTIPATION.
There have been zero recorded deaths from cannabis, whie FDA approved drugs kill 20,000 per year, alcohol kills 25,000, and tobacco over 400k.
Also, it seems that Jimmie doesn't know that the FDA is part of the Federal government. He's also unaware of the fact that the NIH is 96% atheist. Tee hee.
While on the subject of Jimmie, we've found that he is a pompous, pressumptive, self-righteous, bigotted, prejudiced, "pathological Christian" who categorically hates gays, cannabis users, liberals, and the President... But Jimmie thinks he's morally "above" the likes of Westboro, which does fit with the self-righteousness.
Jimmie, in reality, you lead a sad scared existence in which you fear anything that doesn't exist in your cherry-picked bible that teaches intolerance and HATE above all, while hypocritically saying those are "family values".
Tony
9:33 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
And I forgot to mention how Jimmie has systematically dropped every argument presented to him about the safety and medical efficacy of cannabis, all while he's been plagiarising from other websites, purporting those exceprts to be his own thoughts.
Jimmie really thinks he can get into heavan as a liar, when he can't even be honest with ANONYMOUS posters on the internet! LOL
The sheer arrogance of Jimmie pressuming he knows something about me is what has been the most entertaining.
Hey Jimmie, in reality, you've inaccurately guessed my age, my race, my religion, my occupation, and my political beliefs. The truth would shock you, Jimbo. Despite the fact that I've given you NONE of this information, you've built upon assumption after assumption like you're getting it CORRECT.
That's sheer arrogance, Jimmie.
It's the same arrogance that compels you to defend to the bitter end an argument you lost YESTERDAY to the point where you drag God into the conversation...
As I've already said twice, anyone with two eyes and a decent education can read this conversation thread and see, conclusively, how and WHY you lost this argument, Jimbo.
jimmie
9:34 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
this is awesome..20 high school christmas carolers in the culdesac..no agenda..just spreading good cheer..dont think they are the type to personally insult or attack if you dont like their caroling..just trying to make a point. that God is love, that Christmas is about Christ. That if you dont believe, we wont personally attack you, we'll just pray that you find the right way. simmer down tony, you might break a vessel where it matters
jimmie
9:34 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
this is awesome..20 high school christmas carolers in the culdesac..no agenda..just spreading good cheer..dont think they are the type to personally insult or attack if you dont like their caroling..just trying to make a point. that God is love, that Christmas is about Christ. That if you dont believe, we wont personally attack you, we'll just pray that you find the right way. simmer down tony, you might break a vessel where it matters
Tony
9:43 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey Jimmie, you're making more assumptions about me.
Hey Jimmie, you're making more assumptions about me.
And you're double-posting, again.
And you're double-posting, again.
At what point did you decide to try and make this about CHRISTMAS?
At what point did you decide to try and make this about CHRISTMAS?
Jeez, Jimmy. Try to stay on topic.
Jeez, Jimmy. Try to stay on topic. (get it, yet? You keep double-posting)
jimmie
9:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
antonio, my positions on most everything important are based on religious beliefs..i'm pro family, pro god, pro choice and pro chick fila..and i'm anti anything that threatens those...and legalizing drugs that cause more harm than good threaten life and family..thus, i'm against them. I'm just not going to roll over and be a passive walk on me christian. I defend the beliefs. I will stand against those who want to ridicule them. And all your worn out liberal lines are useless. And if you are old and gray and beyond hope, thats sad. Gotta run. The wife (female) is home and tomorrow is a huge day.
jimmie
9:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
antonio, my positions on most everything important are based on religious beliefs..i'm pro family, pro god, pro choice and pro chick fila..and i'm anti anything that threatens those...and legalizing drugs that cause more harm than good threaten life and family..thus, i'm against them. I'm just not going to roll over and be a passive walk on me christian. I defend the beliefs. I will stand against those who want to ridicule them. And all your worn out liberal lines are useless. And if you are old and gray and beyond hope, thats sad. Gotta run. The wife (female) is home and tomorrow is a huge day.
Tony
10:03 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Since when have Christians in the South ever been PASSIVE about anything?
BTW, simply asserting that cannabis "causes more harm than good and threatens life and family" isn't the same thing as having proof.
And over the last three days, you've shown your inability to come up with any. Want to know why you lost this argument, Jimmie? You don't have an "original" opinion on the subject. You were plagiarizing from other websites to support what you've been mistaken about your whole life: cannabis is not only safe, it's good for you.
But God forbid you have to sit down and act like a parent for five minutes by explaining to your kids how and why the laws are changing because you might have to admit you were WRONG about something.
Jimmie, I promise you, your kids are NOT under the mistaken impression that you're some paragon of moral values. Your hatred and prejudices bleed through your Christian fascade. Perhaps that's why you go online to vent? Too afraid of being exposed, publicly, for what you believe, but you are still compelled to spread the message of bigotry?
You remind me of the people who privately admit (or in this case, anonymously admit) that they voted Romney because of the color of his skin. You've already admitted that you think homosexuality is the biggest social threat we have, and yet you'll be friendly to gays, publicly. You'll even take their business.
You're not just a bigot, Jimmie. You're an unprincipled, cowardly bigot.
jimmie
10:17 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Keep your friends close and enemies closer..and the kids are grown and own their businesses in liberal bastians..because they were prepared against what they'll face from the legions of evil from whence you come. I have clients from every walk of life and my stance is open to them as they walk in the office..and yet they sill come. I voted "anybody but Obama" because i believe is a leftist with no moral compass and no real religion. The best boss I ever had was black and I would have gladly voted for Herman Cain, faults and all. God bless you Tony. I've done my best. I'll leave the rest to the man upstairs. You really have to watch your temper; bad things can happen when you spontaneously combust.
jimmie
10:18 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Keep your friends close and enemies closer..and the kids are grown and own their businesses in liberal bastians..because they were prepared against what they'll face from the legions of evil from whence you come. I have clients from every walk of life and my stance is open to them as they walk in the office..and yet they sill come. I voted "anybody but Obama" because i believe is a leftist with no moral compass and no real religion. The best boss I ever had was black and I would have gladly voted for Herman Cain, faults and all. God bless you Tony. I've done my best. I'll leave the rest to the man upstairs. You really have to watch your temper; bad things can happen when you spontaneously combust.
Tony
10:37 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Oh Jimmie, my anger, my passion for what's RIGHT is what gets me up in the morning. May I never become the callous old Fox News drone who justifies his "anybody but Obama" vote based on the Conservative Entertainment Media Complex's opinions.
I'm starting to think you'll believe anything if it someone on television says it with a few sprinkles of God and Jesus.
BTW, thank you for telling me this was your "best". If your "best" is all that stands in the way of legalization, your grandkids will be asking for cannabis bongs for Christmas to stave off the Alzheimer's Disease they are *clearly* genetically predisposed to have.
One last thing, Jimmie... In your cozy little bubble, if someone you loved was suffering from cancer, and nothing *ELSE* worked, are you so proud, so arrogant, so woefully uncompassionate that you would deny that person, a person you love, access to a potential cure?
Of course you would, Jimmie. Especially if they were suffering from gay cancer.
I'll let you in on a little secret into who I am, Jimmie. I work in academia. If your grandkids go to school in GA, there's a chance they'll be learning from me. But I won't spoil the surprise for you and let you know which university.
I'd rather you *not* know, so that you'll have no warning when your homosexual, cannabis-smoking liberal grandchild asks for your blessing at their partnership ceremony. That is, if I have anything to say about it.
Maybe I'll officiate. ;-)
What goes around comes around
10:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I'm sure you have all figured out by now that there is NO ONE who is more pointless than "jimmie" with whom you can attempt a rational, intelligent debate. He is Satan's spawn, and he will figure that out when he meets his Maker. If you live in Dunwoody, remember that Adrian Bonser called him her "hero". Gotta go - sorry "jimmie" - but I'm too busy watching paint dry, which is FAR more enjoyable than enagaging with the likes of you. So I bid you adieu (the closest thing I can find that rhymes with what I WANT to say to you).
What goes around comes around
10:45 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I'm sure you have all figured out by now that there is NO ONE who is more pointless than "jimmie" with whom you can attempt a rational, intelligent debate. He is Satan's spawn, and he will figure that out when he meets his Maker. If you live in Dunwoody, remember that Adrian Bonser called him her "hero". Gotta go - sorry "jimmie" - but I'm too busy watching paint dry, which is FAR more enjoyable than enagaging with the likes of you. So I bid you adieu (the closest thing I can find that rhymes with what I WANT to say to you).
Anonymous Mouse
12:47 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
I wonder where our buddy Jimmie is today? I was looking for some more lulz from him today.
jimmie
4:26 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Ahh, thanks guys. Just out working..at a job..where I'm blessed. Hope you guys have a wonderful Christmas and focus on the good things!
Tony
5:33 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
You're very welcome, Jimmie. May God have mercy on your soul.
Cuz we haven't. I'm still home sick, but it did me good to read through the comments again to see how overwhelmingly your 'arguments' failed.
It's hard to win an argument, after all, when you do every dirty rotten trick in the book...
1. Reductio ad absurdem: the antecedent leads to some ridiculous conclusion, like "If cannabis is legalized, Jimmie will have to pay for it".
2. Ad hominem: an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument, like comparing us to Jim Jones, Hitler, the devil, and the Aurora shooter.
3. Circular arguments: Cannabis is dangerous becuase it isn't FDA-approved, and the FDA won't approve it because it is dangerous. Only human trials can demonstrate the safety of cannabis, but we won't allow human trials until we can demonstrate its safety.
4. Confirmation bias/observational selection: thinking that focuses on evidence that supports what believers already believe while ignoring evidence that refutes their beliefs. Like, for example, plagiarising from a blogpost entitled "Marijuana Should be Illegal" while ignoring the fully cited evidence we presented.
5. Argument from Authority: pretty self-explanatory; Gil Kerlikowske says cannabis is bad, so it must be? LOL
Jimmie, you've entertained me with your repeated fallacies.
We both know you weren't trying to change anyone's mind, don't we?
Proverbs 16:18, Jimbo. Look into it.
Alan E. Mason
5:36 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas too, Jimmie. I would like to ask you a couple of questions, but first I want to say I'm not a liberal I'm a libertarian. I've given up on both the major parties. You say you are a conservative, but that can mean a lot of things today so I'm not quite sure what that means.
So here's my question. I thought conservatives believed in small government and staying out of people's lives. As I read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, that is certainly what the Founding Fathers had in mind. So even if marijuana does everything to harm people that you say it does, lots of legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco do at least as much harm. After 40 years of the War on Drugs, and spending over $1 trillion dollars, adults and kids can still easily obtain it. So does it make sense to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? If prohibition didn't work for alcohol, why should it work for marijuana?
PS: I'm working too. I do website design at home so I can take care of my wife who had a stroke a few years ago.
jimmie
8:19 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
hey gentlemen...reasonable comments..i will ponder them and get back with you. in the meantime, clarify your position: are you for medicinal only purposes or true, full legalization over a certain age. i believe alans more privacy based argument is much stronger than an argument that the drug has no ill effects on the body or society., my experience directly with the substance has been quantifying theft cases against users who steal to feed their pot addiction..words directly from their mouths and their physicians, not mine. i'm just a financial crimes, auditing and taxation expert. i dont think you'll get over the wall of full legalization in this state until there is empirical evidence of no societal harms..you should be excited about that as the experiences of two states with full legalization will now be in full view for all to see..No more lab rats necessary. If my collegaues in CO and WA tell me there is no change in societal ilk after 5 years of legalization, then I would think you all would be in a position to have a strong case in this state. Me, I have enough MD friends and collegaues to never be convinced that this is a harmless plant, but, let me be clear, I do not believe the government should regulate what goes on in ones home as long as parties are consenting and everyone understands risk, and no one is involuntarily harmed. The same goes for same sex marriage. While against it as a non-biblical family, the governments hand stops at the door. Cheers!
SL
11:05 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Tax it & regulate it like cigarettes. Age restriction 21+ and have same laws as driving under influence apply. We will save money in law enforcement, putting it towards fighting meth, coke, heroin, etc. we will make money by taxing it.
Steve Johnson
7:36 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
"Tony, not listening to your fierce LT and letting little ole me, a very secure, happily married (to a woman), financially successful to the point where our pres doesn't like me and doesn't think $250K a year is enough tax for me to pay, keep you from your appointed agenda of pot smoking apocalypse!!"
I'd like to congratulate Jimmie for being the first person to ever use a fragment and a run-on in the same sentence.
jimmie
8:26 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
スティーブンはジャッカスです.面白いもの
Merry Christmas buddy! Not knowing that a blog site is for linguistics
Tony
12:08 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
You messed up the translation, Jimmie. English is a Subject-Verb-Object language, while Japanese is is Subject-Object-Verb.
You were obviously trying to be esoterically cute, but actually, you just showed everyone once again that folks ought not imprudently wade into topics they don't fully understaond.
If you don't know how to speak Japanese, don't try. Sorry, Jimmie, but you're just not a very good cunning linguist. At least that's what your wife reports.
BTW, a new longitudinal study of brain tissue in 92 adolescents over the span of 18 months demonstrated two things, with remarkable clarity: A teen who consumes alcohol is likely to have reduced brain tissue health, but a teen who uses marijuana is not.
The study was conducted by Susan Tapert and Joanna Jacobus, neuroscientist at University of California, San Diego.
jimmie
8:35 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
use yur mandurin interprter to figyour tis outt
Anonymous Mouse
9:17 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Steve does WHAT with donkeys? Google translate has some problems with Mandarin.
jimmie
9:22 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
japanese..sorry..try again mouse
Steve Johnson
11:20 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
"Steven is a little Cass. Interesting."
Not sure what a little cass is.
Sorry I don't know Japanese, just English, Spanish, a little Latin.
I'm currently enjoying some Blue Dream. It's a hybrid sativa/indica strain with a nice fruity taste. Quite delicious.
jimmie
6:15 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
close bud..."Steve is a jackass, although an entertaining one. " Be careful and Merry Christmas!
jimmie
6:17 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
close bud..."Steve is a jackass, although an entertaining one. " Be careful and Merry Christmas!
SL
10:56 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Take the blue dream, run it over a mesh screen, 110-150 micron over a Pyrex dish and collect the trichomes. Pack em up in a kief press, wrap em in wax paper so its waterproof, wrap it again in newspaper, soak the paper in water & iron the packet for 3 mins on low. Unwrap the packet & voila! Blue dream hash. Newspaper keeps it from burning & releasing the THC. - enjoy. Merry Christmas & God Bless - whomever your God may be!!
Dagda
1:14 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
I've been reading the comments, and I'd like to say one thing. No matter how much everyone bickers and complains, at the end of the day, it's up to the Georgia voters to decide.
jimmie
6:18 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
Thats democracy!
LT
3:09 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
I just read an article on NORML's site about marijuana an type 2 diabetes. Its about time they started that study. I've been type 1 for more than half my life. I even mentioned to my Dr years ago when I lived in NY, I didn't have as many high blood sugar episodes when I smoked. Unfortunately, tonight is one of the bad nights hence what I'm doing up at 3am. But the reason for the article is that they have found in a human study an overall lower blood sugar and less of a chance of developing this awful disease than with those that didn't smoke
jimmie
6:17 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
Humanizing comment. May God heal your pain. Merry Christmas. You'll live to bicker another day
SL
10:51 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Me too on the diabetes! I can't say that it was all due to pot, as I had to really watch my sugars and change my eating habits, but I did it without traditional medicine & my sugars are in the 90's. I went from 220 lbs to 170, & now have a tough time keeping weight on.
jimmie
8:16 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
托尼是一個悲傷的雞奸的靈魂
Tony
8:27 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
你的妻子知道這是真的
jimmie
8:25 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
Frohe Weihnachten an alle!
jimmie
9:00 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
Got the millionaire part right buddy!
Tony
9:06 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
For a guy who claims so fervently to be happily married (to a woman) you have an above-average obsession with sex in the no-no place, Jimmie.
jimmie
9:00 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012
Frohe Weihnachten an alle! Frohe Weihnachten an alle!
jimmie
6:04 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Good Christmas Eve eve morning to all!
jimmie
7:23 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
God bless America
Alan E. Mason
9:05 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
Tony
7:50 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Bravo, Alan! I do, however, wish you hadn't let the kids know you're secular on the comment thread about ending prohibition in Georgia. As I'm sure you're aware, being secular is the easiest way for people in the peach state to (unfairly) dismiss your opinion on other subjects (cannabis legalization, in this case). It muddies the waters. I read a sociology paper a few years ago that showed, conclusively, that secular/atheists in the USA are more despised and untrusted than every other minority category. We beat out muslims and gays.
In terms of being victims of bigotry, we're up next in the barrel. We must step lightly, as Fox Noise is chomping at the bit with their "War on Christmas" nonsense.
It was not kosher for Jimmie to invoke a deity in an honest debate. As soon as he discovered he was the only prohibitionist in the room, he was name-dropping god like crazy, and he was wrong to do so.
I think we both pointed that out.
No need to unzip and wiz on his book, though. That's a discussion meant for a different forum. That said, again, bravo. Very well articulated, but very wrong venue.
Alan E. Mason
10:29 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
I'm not secular, I do believe in a higher power, I just don't think that whatever could create the universe fits very well in the little boxes we call religion. I get nervous when people claim their holy book is THE word of God, when we only have the word of the people who wrote those words down on that. Nearly all religions make this claim..
I also don't think there is necessarily a contradiction between science and spirituality. If you read Genesis and the Big Bang theory side by side, you will see some remarkable similarities. Ditto for evolution and the sequence of the appearance of species in Genesis. A lot of noted theologians are coming to this point of view.
Its been my understanding that the New Testament was supposed to be The Word of God v 2.0. Yet so many Christians refer to the Old Testament when it suits their purposes but ignore things like those in my post (which I shamelessly stole from a letter allegedly written to Dr. Laura many years ago.) Doesn't seem like you can have it both ways.
Jesus taught that we should love one another and do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Seems to pretty well cover things for me. And given how acrimonious things have gotten here, seems like a very appropriate invocation of deity for the occasion, esp. on the day before Christmas. Happy Holidays to all of you, whichever ones you may be celebrating. That goes for you too, Jimmy. Hope you are having a good time in Phoenix.
jimmie
11:29 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Thanks mate. Is it just me, or has the original poster, a Ms. Katherine Johnson from the Hemp and Cannib Foundation of Spokane removed her post? There are only four ways I know of that a post can be zapped: a) Jason deems it unacceptable. Nothing bad about it that I recall. b) Ms. Johnson realized some of her supporters on this stream were complete, anti-government, brainwashed, amoral lunatics and removed her post so she wouldn't be affiliated; or c) some complete, brainwashed, anti-government lunatic activist broke federal and state law by impersonating her to start the conversation and then removed "her"; d) SHE found out what whack's were associated with someone impersonating her and asked Jason to take the post down. I am aggressively searching for Ms. JOhnson in Spokane (office on 3rd Street; but telephone number ringing to fax) so I can get her side of the story. Alan, I think your comments are reasonable and I believe the ten commandments specify all we need to know to live by....perhaps the failure of man to observe Gods laws created the need for God to destroy ALL he had made (see Noah). IN any event, I think the string reached such a ludicrous point from the severe leftists, that I decided to print it out (all 40 pages) and sent a copy each to Gov. Deal and Dwood State Rep Taylor to let them know what really exists behind the cover of C.A.R.E. and urged them to share the "beliefs" with their constituents. I'll share with you their response when I get it.
jimmie
11:30 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Thanks mate. Is it just me, or has the original poster, a Ms. Katherine Johnson from the Hemp and Cannib Foundation of Spokane removed her post? There are only four ways I know of that a post can be zapped: a) Jason deems it unacceptable. Nothing bad about it that I recall. b) Ms. Johnson realized some of her supporters on this stream were complete, anti-government, brainwashed, amoral lunatics and removed her post so she wouldn't be affiliated; or c) some complete, brainwashed, anti-government lunatic activist broke federal and state law by impersonating her to start the conversation and then removed "her"; d) SHE found out what whack's were associated with someone impersonating her and asked Jason to take the post down. I am aggressively searching for Ms. JOhnson in Spokane (office on 3rd Street; but telephone number ringing to fax) so I can get her side of the story. Alan, I think your comments are reasonable and I believe the ten commandments specify all we need to know to live by....perhaps the failure of man to observe Gods laws created the need for God to destroy ALL he had made (see Noah). IN any event, I think the string reached such a ludicrous point from the severe leftists, that I decided to print it out (all 40 pages) and sent a copy each to Gov. Deal and Dwood State Rep Taylor to let them know what really exists behind the cover of C.A.R.E. and urged them to share the "beliefs" with their constituents. I'll share with you their response when I get it.
Alan E. Mason
12:11 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
Yes, her comment is missing and possibly others from the beginning, its been so long and there have been so many its hard to know. Maybe we overloaded whatever software is used for comments :). Have you tried 1-800-723-0188?
Tony
2:26 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Hey Jimmie, I'm so glad you're going to send a copy of these comments to the governor so that he can see exactly what a HUGE bigot you are. And also how poorly you argued your points. "Severe leftists" is just a polite way of characterizing the fact that you were the only person on YOUR side.
In fact, let me tell you what will happen: Gov Deal will have a staffer read the transcripts. The staffer will count how many people were FOR cannabis reform and how many were AGAINST (just you). Maybe maybe a slightly deeper analysis will follow: which arguments worked, which didn't, which were dropped, which were defeated.
Our arguments FOR (well-articulated with full citations) will certainly outweigh the ones you were plagiarising.
You still haven't commented on how/why you think plagiarism is Ok, btw...
I doubt you're going to get the response you want, so I doubt you're going to share it with us if/when you get one.
Steve Johnson
1:05 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Jimmie, I hope you don't think I'm anti-government! I've said a couple times already I even lean to the right on a lot of issues and voted for McCain (but Obama this past election).
I think it's great you sent this to the governor; personally, I think any reasonable person who read these comments would appreciate our side of the argument.
Steve Johnson
1:07 am on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Oh- and I'm not sure if you were insinuating that I had any affiliation with the group C.A.R.E., but I certainly do not.
Emily
3:14 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Excuse me jimmie, but your village has reported you missing.....you may want to return before they appoint a new idiot to replace you.
Alan E. Mason
9:34 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Pardon me for noticing, but it seems like a lot of the remarks directed at Jimmie are getting just as mean spirited and ad hominem as the ones he was accused of posting. And he doesn't seem to have posted here for about four days. Isn't time to give it up and start celebrating New Years a little early or find something else a little more positive and in the spirit of the season to do? Just my opinion...
jimmie
8:24 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
What I've discovered so far is that original poster utilized Ms. Johnsons name and position without permission. I know the name and contact info of who did it. I'll be posting that friends along with anything I hear from the Governor or representative. Happy New year all! Stay tuned...
jimmie
8:24 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
What I've discovered so far is that original poster utilized Ms. Johnsons name and position without permission. I know the name and contact info of who did it. I'll be posting that friends along with anything I hear from the Governor or representative. Happy New year all! Stay tuned...
jimmie
8:27 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Thanks for your kind words Alan. What folks (if he is one) like Tony have shown is the complete hatred potheads/gays/and god knows what else from the left have for those who oppose them on anything. What he shows (and read his posts) is those who demand tolerance show no tolerance for another soul. We'll win Tony. God help you and your likes. Cheers!
jimmie
8:27 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Thanks for your kind words Alan. What folks (if he is one) like Tony have shown is the complete hatred potheads/gays/and god knows what else from the left have for those who oppose them on anything. What he shows (and read his posts) is those who demand tolerance show no tolerance for another soul. We'll win Tony. God help you and your likes. Cheers!
Tony
8:49 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
What I demand is your acknowledgement of plagiarism, Jimmie. BTW, for the seventh time, it is not intolerance to call someone a bigot when they clearly demonstrate bigotry.
You are a bigot. That's not intolerance. Again. It's semantics. You categorically judge and despise people in your comments: anyone with a 5th-grade reading level can see that. You're not fooling anyone by comparing your opposition to the devil, Hitler, and the Aurora Shooter; you're just demonstrating the weakness of your position and the disgusting hubris of a faith you pay empty lip service for self-righteous and self-serving reasons (to hold ground in an argument... very pious).
Give me a break, Jimmie. You're a sanctimonious dinosaur. You're not praying for anybody. You're talking like you do, but you don't.
See, people who pray, don't talk about how *much* they pray. They just pray. They leave all that bragging to the prideful pretenders amongst them.
Like you, Jimmie.
Which, ultimately, is why your generation is diminishing. It's why you and those who are closed-minded are diminishing. Information will win, Jimmie. Despite you, information will win. You talk a big game of "winning" but you don't even know what that means.
jimmie
10:03 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dude I have only quoted studies. I do no personal research I just see the crime that addicts do. Keep getting madder buddy. That way I know god is dealing with you. Personal insults bounce off me like fire off Kevlar. They just reflect your personal immaturity and hate for those who dare to challenge your tripe. Night dude..don't blow an artery
jimmie
10:06 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Moved your family out of the tent in your parents basement yet tone boy?
Tony
10:21 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Haha! Go home, Jimmie. You're drunk.
You'll only find more tears of bitter, impotent rage at the bottom of that bottle. Call a cab. Tip your waitress. ;-)
jimmie
10:32 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dont drink buddy. It's why I see the truth clearly. I don't need reality altering substances. It does sound however like you have seen many bottoms..of bottles. Find the way buddy...soon
daniel lehman
10:56 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
legalize. bring in tax revenue. stop ruining the futures of citizens who are doing something less harmful with their bodies than using legal drugs. save tax money wasted on incarceration of these people. regulate the market. keep the drug away from children, and unregulated dealers who can sell to children. get our citizens out of the black market. stop the "gateway drug" effect of marijuana by keeping citizens away from illegal cannabis dealers who are more likely to have connections to REAL hard drugs. do your research. coexist. stop the ignorance.
jimmie
11:06 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Read all the above for your debunkmenr of your talking points get out of the tent and get a job Danny
robert g.
11:51 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
God jimmy you are so ignorant and hateful, I consider myself a christian and though it's not my place to judge; it's not your's either... for or against the legalization of marijuanna you give the religion you claim the very stereotipical image christianity is viewed with!!!
jimmie
1:05 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Same ole garbage view Robert. Appears I'm the least ignorant one here. Stand for truth Robert or you fall for anything. You stand by and watch society be eroded by tolerance demanding evildoers, get off the field or fight for what made our country great to begin with!
robert g.
1:56 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
If fighting means degrading others and slandering them then you don't know how to win your battles!!! As far as the fight against marijuanna, I'm not on your side anyway!!! The economical boost alone is something the state of georgia needs, not to mention the overall drop of the crime-rate... god bless the marijuanna revolution.
jimmie
2:31 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Robert...you and Spicoli can go puff yourselves..I choose to fight the destroyers of our culture. If thats you, so be it.
Tony
4:52 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Of course, by "fight" Jimbo means slandering others anonymously on the internet, like a coward. That's how 10 year old kids get their kicks. Too weak to achieve anything in real life. LOL
You can grandize and over-inflate your pathetic efforts if you like, Jimmie, but your "fight" amounts to name-calling and drunken rage-posts in languages you don't speak (cuz you think it's cute, LOL).
Jimmie, if you weren't such a major bigot, a caustic jerk, a repressed homophobe, a blatant plagiarist, and a wilfully ignorant clod.... I'd pity you.
Scratch that, I do pity you. If you think you accomplished something here on this discussion thread, well, that's definitely pitiful.
jimmie
5:13 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Got your attention. Your dog must have really gotten hit as it squeals louder than the rest. I feel I have provided the truth behind the lies you guys sold out to human waste have tried to peddle. Thus, very pleased in the efforts. So pleased in fact that it's time to drop another $30 at chick fil a!
robert g.
6:19 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Once again tony I got to give it to you you've gotten him to drop another pointless snide comment prooving the lack of coherent thought from a supposed "whitehouse" official. Kudos man.
Tony
3:17 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
All part of my master plan to give Jimmie Type II Diabetes.
jimmie
3:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Wow..Tony..they let the pot smoking dish washers off early to put on their makeup for tonights festivities!!
jimmie
3:49 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Oh snap, pass the joint Rob...P.S. Tony, your lifestyle opens you up for most every disease ever contrived. Part of why your kind must be repulsed. Cheers!
Tony
3:58 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Seven minutes between posts. I guess that was seven minutes I owned you, Jimmie. Just can't quit me, Brokeback? HAHAHAHAHA
jimmie
4:03 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Had to trade a few stocks before close oh yee of orange eyeshaddow..missed a spot, guess Harry will take care of that one. Off to the beach dude, have a good time doing what you do..while you can
Tony
4:12 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013
Suuuure you did. I'm sure you weren't crying bitter tears into a keyboard in a dark, lonely room for the *SEVEN* minutes I was leasing time in your brain.
Yup, trading stocks. Suuuuure you were.
Just don't take out any of that impotent rage on the wife, Ok Jimbo?
Zack Reynolds
6:53 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
Jesus Christ guys, just ignore his hateful homophobic retarded ass, he just wants attention.
jimmie
7:13 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
Zack..the only retards are those dependent on a plant for happiness...
jimmie
7:11 am on Monday, January 7, 2013
Zack..go blo- Tony and get it out of your system....Cheers Fellas..
Tony
12:53 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
See? Brokeback.
jimmie
2:59 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Don't know what brokeback means dude (if you are a dude). Can only guess its what happened to you as a child when some uncle or other relative, under the guise of a loving relationship, crawled on top of your 10 year old self. Sad
Tony
3:58 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
HAHAHA. It must reeeaaally bother you that I got inside your head, Jimmie. That I owned you so thoroughly. You've lowered yourself to joking around about molestation!!! Just to recap, on a story about cannabis law reform, you've been so so VERY defeated, so demoralized, so embarrassed, that you've brought into the conversation:
1. Homosexuality
2. Sodomy
3. Molestation
That's a LOT of sexual repression, Jimbo! I sure hope no one lets you near their kids. You might try to vent your pent up rage on a child, as is the want of cowardly pedophiles. Which, in all seriousness, is symptomatic of the way you've been cowardly slandering people anonymously while touting your alleged happiness and success to perfect strangers.
Your desperate need for validation amuses me, Jimmie! Just keep it online, pal. Your idle hands should stay on the keyboard, not on any of the neighborhood kids.
Rob
4:23 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
@Jason - Please change your login/posting requirements to bring dignity back to this site :(
You may lose 90% of your posts per day, but it will only be one person.
jimmie
4:27 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Youre a real mental case. Jason knows I'm only one person. If he had the courage to enforce his rules of not questioning identities, you sir (if it is sir) would be long gone!
Rob
5:01 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
P.S. I did not mention anyone by name..... BTW, Who exactly owns who???
jimmie
4:26 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Nice try Tony boy...folks pushing for this cannibis are also the ones who push for the perversions you so lust after. Me, happily married and wholly dedicated to protecting traditional family values from demonic forms of life such as yourself. Cheers fella. Light one up for your circle buddies
jimmie
4:30 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Cheers to the landlords who are refusing cannibis club leases...hmm, another mass murder in a legalized marijuana state...could there be a connection? Hmm, already a marijuana dui fatality in Washington....hmmm, maybe pervs like Tony are becoming more obvious...
Tony
1:52 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
Thought you'd like to know...
On Monday, January 7, Chief Federal Magistrate Maria-Elena James ruled in favor of Harborside Health Center, and denied motions by Harborside's landlords asking the court to order an immediate halt of medical cannabis sales at their properties, setting a FEDERAL precedent *against* landlords refusing leases to dispensaries.
Your cheers are the sound of one hand clapping, Jimbo. LOL
jimmie
4:37 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Hmm..more facts from the NIH
Marijuana abuse is a recognized mental disorder -- classified in the DSM-IV as Cannabis Abuse -- and is common among marijuana users. Most marijuana users do not think of themselves as "abusing" the drug, as it does not fit the criteria for addiction and they are unaware of the marijuana abuse category.
The following symptoms are characteristic of marijuana abuse:
Marijuana abusers may go for long periods without using marijuana. Marijuana abuse can occur with the first use of marijuana.
Marijuana abuse may not appear compulsive, meaning that marijuana abusers may be able to decline use of marijuana when it is freely available.
Problems are associated with with marijuana abuse. These may be direct consequences of the marijuana use, which can impact health and well-being (such as getting into an accident or a fight while intoxicated), or they may be indirectly related to marijuana use (such as relationship or work problems).
Marijuana may be used in binges, cause the abuser may become severely intoxicated, and result in a negative reaction to the drug, such as a panic attack, development of a substance-induced disorder, or triggering of an underlying mental health problem.
Driving while intoxicated with marijuana is a form of marijuana abuse that poses a risk to one's self and others.
Despite what you may have heard, marijuana is not a harmless drug.
As stated, the drug stinks and users are dangerous.
jimmie
4:38 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Way to go Tony..way to push for societal destruction..destroy the mind and the family...satan will be so pleased with your efforts...hint..pack a lot of ice
Tony
4:42 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
First post, 4:27pm. This post, 4:38pm. That's another 11 minutes I owned you.
jimmie
4:56 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Thats just how long it took to download results of another study..and carve out a lot more poor results on the human race of marijuana to get to character limitation. You seem to have a real penchant to try to "own" things...which is strange. Is that part of your size comparison thing with your buds?
Tony
5:32 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Ha! Jimmie, you made five posts in 11 minutes. That has nothing to do with character limits, as THREE of them were directed soley at me. Who do you think you're fooling? I love how easy it is to antagonize you. You can't help yourself.
I especially loved it when you tried to take an upper hand on religious grounds and lost. Which was very funny, btw. When a sanctimonious jerk loses a bible fight, that's hilarious.
Our exchanges have been formulaic ever since you lost the argument over a week ago. First, you say something offensive. Then, I point out how pathetic and cowardly it is to do so. Like clockwork.
Notice how no one else has been pulling the conversation into starkly SEXUAL topics? Homosexuality? Sodomy? Child molestation? Looks like you're the pervert in this conversation, Mr Gacy.
Of course, that's after you failed to get a rise out of anyone comparing us to everything from the Aurora shooter to Hitler. You weren't paying attention when I defined the ad hominem fallacy for you, huh? I wonder if there's a correlation between sexual frustration and learning disabilities.
You're such an easy target, Jimbo. So simple to prod you into FIVE posts in the space of eleven minutes. It's obvious why. Your need for validation from strangers keeps you coming back. Which, of course, means your performance in real life is equally or more pathetic than your performance on this thread.
Looking forward to your reply.
BurrellJustGotRousted
5:38 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013
Sounds like a personal attack and a violation of Patch TOS regs.
jimmie
8:05 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013
so just forget him..except at the ballot box
jimmie
7:04 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Another MD in 2011...
What are the psychological and social effects of abusing marijuana?
The bad effects of marijuana are numerous. For example, it can impair thinking, as in learning, and memory for several days after each time it is used. That risk seems to be even higher for people who score lower on IQ tests compared to those who score higher.
The social effects of smoking marijuana can be quite detrimental as well. Adolescents who use the substance are at higher risk of pregnancy, dropping out of school, delinquency, legal problems, and achieving less educationally and occupationally. Individuals who become dependent on marijuana tend to be less motivated, less happy, or satisfied with their life. They are also at risk for depression and for using larger amounts of alcohol and other drug
And I got a 100 of these..for those who want to legalize this garbage, I hope you are the ones it destroys. Beware the perversionists...
jimmie
9:30 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Another MD study..not some eurotrash crap on rats from a decade ago...Tony lies and we dies!
In terms of how long marijuana tends to stay in your system, it can be detected on drug tests for about two weeks. Like many other chemicals that are ingested, marijuana can affect your body in many ways. It seems to be associated with an increased occurrence of certain cancers. It may also increase the risk of sexual dysfunction; statistics indicate that men who smoke or otherwise consume marijuana regularly are at higher risk of either having premature ejaculation or trouble reaching orgasm. Men and women who use this substance on a regular basis seem to have more sexual partners and to be more at risk for contracting sexually transmitted diseases compared to those who do not use marijuana.
Marijuana's effects on the body and brain of a developing fetus seem to be clearly negative. Exposure to this substance before birth (prenatally) is associated with negative effects on fetal growth and body weight, as well as on the impulse control, focusing ability, learning, memory, and decision making in the child who was exposed to marijuana before birth. These negative effects by no means only affect babies who are exposed to marijuana before birth (in utero). Marijuana tends to negatively affect learning, judgment, and muscle skills in people who use marijuana by their own volition.
Reviewed by Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD on 8/29/2011
Tony
1:16 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Found the ONE website you're cutting and pasting from.... AGAIN, plagiarising and not citing your sources.
This article was written by Roxanne Dryden-Edwards, a psychiatrist. Been reading reviews of her practice: apparantly, she's not a very good psychiatrist.
The article is posted to MedicineNet.com, which is not an acredited research institution. Hehehe. It's NOT a study OR a clinical trial, and only has 17 entries in its bibliography: FOUR are propoganda pieces straight out of the NIDA, one is a newspaper article from the NYT, and ONE is for Webster's Dictionary!!! And oh wow, she's referencing the DSMIV, last revised in 1994...
I'm shocked she didn't reference her Facebook page.
LOL - You say you have HUNDREDS of these "studies". This wasn't a study. It was a poorly written prop-piece for the NIDA by a woman with a questionable practice that had fewer (and worse) citations than I require my undergrads to have.
This "study" of yours isn't published! LMAO Must be why you didn't provide a citation: only published works have citations.
Jimbo, it's truly hilarious how you keep googling for your propoganda, how I keep finding it, and ripping it all to shreds.
jimmie
1:17 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Yet another "marijuana is good for nothing except getting high and whacking your own health"..by non-biased researchers. Tony lies!
The Glaucoma Research Foundation disputes the idea that medical marijuana is good medicine for the disease. "The high dose of marijuana necessary to produce a clinically relevant effect," the foundation's website explains, makes it a poor choice for the treatment of glaucoma, especially given its "significant side effects" and the availability of safer effective drugs.
In addition, those who use marijuana to treat mental health symptoms might be surprised to learn that studies show it not only may not help such symptoms, it may cause them.
Increased funding for research may lead to a better understanding of the impact cannabis has on our bodies, but for now the claims that the drug is effective in the treatment of multiple disorders as distinct as lupus and anxiety seem far-fetched at best. It seems more likely that for some people, getting high just makes them feel better, the way a drink or two might. You would be shocked, however, if in response to a diagnosis of lupus, your doctor suggested you "take two drinks and call me in the morning."
And pot's general ineffectiveness is only part of picture. It is not a neutral substance. Chronic marijuana use is associated with a number of well-documented health problems, including a variety of cancers in adults as well as in children who were exposed to the drug in utero.
Tony
3:47 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Cut and paste from the LA Times!!! Another prop-piece written by an "addiction specialist" worried about losing his income source. Yet again, Jimbo, NOT A STUDY.
Title: Is marijuana good medicine?
Date: July 26, 2012
Author: David Sack
David Sack is a psychiatrist and addiction specialist. He is chief executive of Promises Treatment Centers. His specialty, his cash-crop, is cycling "addicts" through his programs for a profit.
He wrote an op-ed in a NEWSPAPER to protect his income source. Again, not an acredited research institute or journal publication. And he didn't have the courage to submit any citations for any of the BS claims he's making.
Keep it coming, Jimbo. At least you cleaned up your language, although your arguments and sources are still stuff I scrape off my boots. ;-)
jimmie
3:47 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Marijuana can be harmful in a number of ways, through immediate effects and through damage to health over time.
Marijuana hinders the user’s short-term memory (memory for recent events), and he or she may have trouble handling complex tasks. With the use of more potent varieties of marijuana, even simple tasks can be difficult.
Because of the drug’s effects on perceptions and reaction time, users could be involved in auto crashes. Drug users also may become involved in risky sexual behaviors, which could lead to the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
And another, from a fourth different site..only takes about 10 minutes to be flooded with the legit studies...not garbage effects on mice in euro trash zones.
Under the influence of marijuana, students may find it hard to study and learn. Young athletes could find their performance is off; timing, movements, and coordination are all affected by THC.
Tony
7:01 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Jimmie, you're not even TRYING anymore. This is a direct cut and paste from the NIDA:
Title: How is Marijuana Harmful?
From National Institute on Drug Abuse
Updated April 20, 2010
The NIDA is the only entity the DEA licenses to cultivate and distribute cannabis for the purpose of conducting research. It's specified in the law that in a free market, it is illegal for only ONE entity to have a monopoly in the manufacture/cultivation/distribution of Schedule I and Schedule 2 substances for the sake of conducting research becauce monopolies are illegal in the United States.
The DEA refuses to license anyone else besides the NIDA, and the NIDA will not distribute cannabis for research *UNLESS* the research is trying to prove that cannabis is dangerous. The NIDA is the most biased source of information on cannabis because of their Faustian deal with the DEA.
Good thing the DEA is being sued! Oral arguments were given in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals on October 16th, Jimbo. Case #11-1265, ASA vs DEA. If the DEA loses, they'll be ordered by the Federal Government to reschedule cannabis. If it moves to Schedule III, the NIDA will automatically lose their monopoly.
Boom goes the dynamite. LOL
jimmie
3:47 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Another NIH study conclusion
The short-term effects of marijuana include:
loss of motor coordination
increased heart rate.
distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)
trouble with thinking and problem-solving
problems with memory and learning
These effects are even greater when other drugs are mixed with the marijuana, and users do not always know what drugs are given to them.
Tony lies...and he wants you to live his pathetic, addicted existence...same way all demons work
Tony
7:01 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Actually, Jimbo, that's from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
NIH Publication Number 98-4037, from the year 1998!!! Jimbo didn't even notice that his own cut'n'paste says, right there, SHORT-TERM and nonpermanent.
In fact, the same symptoms are listed for alcohol intoxication. Think about that, Jimmie.
You should look up some of these other NIH Publications...
Specifically, Patent #6630507, filed by the very same U.S. Department of Health and Human Services your *cut'n'paste* is from:
The patent, "Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants", issued October 2003 reads:
“Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia."
Funny, isn't it Jimbo? The govt patented cannabis as a neuroprotectant? This is one of the arguments given at the rescheduling lawsuit on the 16th.
Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time? LOL
jimmie
7:01 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
As always, no human studies to support benefitting society by legalizing earthly shi- weeds and there demonic supporters
Tony
2:34 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
LOL -- Upset I keep upstaging you? Aaaand, I take it that you mean the Federal Department of Health and Human Services as well as their subsidiary, the NIH, when you're talking about the "demonic supporters"???
Would those be the demonic supporters you were plagiarising in your post yesterday? BTW, the patent from which I copied the abstract? Full of clinical trials by the NIH. All you need to do is read the bibliography; all citations present and accounted for.
But you won't, Jimbo. That would be academically and intellectually *HONEST*
and you don't deal in honesty, Jimbo.
You don't get a PATENT from the United States Government unless all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed. Not being a scientist, clinician, or researcher, you probably never had an idea original enough to patent, so I don't fault you for failing to understand that.
You are learning disabled, after all. Ha!
jimmie
7:01 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
More studies on humans...Tony lies...destruction is his agenda
Does research bear that out?
"We don't have as good data as we have for alcohol, but the evidence is already clear," said Susan Weiss, policy chief for the National Institute on Drug Abuse. "Marijuana is not good for you." Frequent, prolonged marijuana use has been linked to depression, psychosis, anxiety, and other mental disorders, especially among teenagers. A decades-long study in New Zealand found that adolescents who used pot at least four times a week lost an average of 8 IQ points between the ages of 13 and 38. Studies suggest that about 9 percent of all users become dependent on marijuana, and that pot smokers have far higher rates of workplace injuries and school absences than non-users. One study of 46,000 Swedish soldiers found that even infrequent pot smokers were more than twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as non-smokers; regular users were six times as likely.
Tony
4:43 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Copied and pasted from "Is Marijuana Bad For You?" posted to a NEWSPAPER called The Week on November 24th, 2012.
Again, not a study or a clinical trial. Just another op-ed; not science.
You can tell, because the *rest* of the article is actually balanced.
The rest of the paragraph you deliberately and dishonestly OMITTED from your cut'n'paste, Jimbo? Here it is:
"...times as likely. Fred Gardner of the California Cannabis Medical Research Group says the National Institute on Drug Abuse "looks for the negative stuff on purpose and disregards anything positive about cannabis." And no study has proved a causal link between marijuana use and neurological disease.
So, Jimbo, I gotta tell ya. I really don't mind catching you being dishonest. It feels good to call you a liar and back it up with facts, references, and citations that anybody with a smartphone can verify, themselves.
But you have to try harder. You seem to not understand how the internet works and what it's for. You certainly don't understand the difference between a STUDY and an OPEN-EDITORIAL. LOL
Disinformation doesn't work anymore. You can't lie to the internet, Jimbo.
Let me rephrase that. You can tell all the lies you want, Jimbo. But you won't get away with it. Hahahahahaha.
jimmie
7:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
My sources are all MD's dumba--...yours are the equivalent of pedophiles saying that thoose who haven't tried it are just against it. You're the deceiver Tony. Judgement is coming.
jimmie
7:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Where are your studies by non-potheads...sorry, get off of Rob and then you can answer
jimmie
7:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
And the ocnclusions would be in 2012, not 1992 dufus..perhaps the cannabis has finally extracted all your reason. I got 60 more of these to post.
jimmie
7:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Colorado study Tony lies!
These stories result from a collaboration between Education News Colorado, Solutions and the I-News Network, three non-profit news websites based in Denver and staffed by professional.
But contrary to perceptions among students, doctors say marijuana is especially harmful to kids for two key reasons:
First, new research shows adolescence is a crucial time for brain development and marijuana use can permanently change the teen brain. Second, young people who start using marijuana before age 18 are much more likely than adults to become addicted to the drug.
“It’s an ironic play of events that use is going up at the same time that the science is coming out about its possible brain toxicity,” said Dr. Chris Thurstone, an adolescent psychiatrist who runs a substance abuse treatment program at Denver Health.
“We need to tell people that youth are the most likely to become addicted to marijuana and that when they become addicted, they are at higher risk for every bad outcome a teenager can face.”
Doctors interviewed across the spectrum, from vocal marijuana opponents to those who recommend it for patients, agreed that marijuana can be addictive. And the diagnostic bible for health providers, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, lists cannabis abuse and cannabis dependence as possible diagnoses.
“There is no debate in the scientific community,” Thurstone said. “It’s physically and mentally addictive.”
jimmie
7:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Pay attention to the last line tonio...these ain't french rats we're testing..
jimmie
7:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
more results from MDs..not lab rats!
Myth 1 – Marijuana is Harmless
This couldn’t be farther from the truth. Too many people believe that marijuana is a benign drug and has no real bad affects. However, this is simply not true.
Marijuana is anything but harmless. In fact, marijuana use leads to all kinds of problems – from legal, emotional, behavioral, psychological, and cognitive, as well as many health-related issues.
Many studies have shown the ill effects associates with marijuana use. For example, studies have shown that marijuana users are more likely to perform poorly in school than non-marijuana users. Other studies have shown substantial deficiencies in math, verbal, and coordination skills for people who frequently abuse marijuana.
Marijuana users can subject themselves to the negative affects associated with many hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. In particular, marijuana abuse disrupts the flow of chemical neurotransmitters in the brain. Frequent use of marijuana leads to burn-out. Other studies have shown that marijuana users are more likely to have depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies, and other health problems.
Further, and perhaps even most importantly, the use of illicit drugs like marijuana (when not used for medical reasons) puts the user in greater risk of being involved with other criminal activities. Why? Because people using drugs are more likely to make bad decisions, and drug use is invariably tied to violence and crime. .